Comments Thread For: Joshua: I Saw A lot of Coaches Before Selecting New Trainer - Robert Garcia Was The Standout

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joshua just isn't mean enough

Nobody was saying this pre-Ruiz I.

Make no doubt about it? Joshua is innately a very aggressive fighter. All of his early fights suggest this.

Joshua even as a Amateur in the Olympics fought very aggressively, he did not win his Gold Medal with pure technical skill in my opinion.

He bulled his way to the Olympic Gold.

Joshua for whatever reason, has just having to continuously deal with the trauma from the Ruiz I loss.

He has had to deal with it out in the open, some people point this out. While others? Decide that they want to try and beat him down.

That is all this is mate.

[Oregonian]

You asked if he lost his killer instinct in those losses, I gave my take on what went wrong. You'll have to ask his team about why they didn't go to plan b. Maybe that's why McKraken is gone.

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These were your words, verbatim;

“He tried to use it against Ruiz in their first fight, but he underestimated Andy's chin and determination. He abandoned it against Usyk, instead trying to outbox a better boxer.”

If you have answers as to how AJ’s killer instincts played out, you should have some thoughts on why there was no plan B, no?

Could it be that Ruiz was the better man in the 1st fight and that Usyk was the better man too?
I can’t imagine making excuses for Ruiz in the 2nd fight by saying “if he had trained properly or if he wasn’t fat” he would have won. Nope. He just got beat by the better fighter that night.

These excuse making is why most are rooting for Usyk just so AJ and his loyalists can shut it.
Now, I’m not saying you are that. You seem neutral to both.

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These were your words, verbatim;

“He tried to use it against Ruiz in their first fight, but he underestimated Andy's chin and determination. He abandoned it against Usyk, instead trying to outbox a better boxer.”

If you have answers as to how AJ’s killer instincts played out, you should have some thoughts on why there was no plan B, no?

Could it be that Ruiz was the better man in the 1st fight and that Usyk was the better man too?
I can’t imagine making excuses for Ruiz in the 2nd fight by saying “if he had trained properly or if he wasn’t fat” he would have won. Nope. He just got beat by the better fighter that night.

These excuse making is why most are rooting for Usyk just so AJ and his loyalists can shut it.
Now, I’m not saying you are that. You seem neutral to both.

Look man, you asked my opinion and I gave it as reasons, not excuses. Since I'm not AJ nor his corner man, all I can offer is an opinion. If you don't accept my answers, that's your option, but I'm not going to keep trying until you agree with me.

[Oregonian]

Look man, you asked my opinion and I gave it as reasons, not excuses. Since I'm not AJ nor his corner man, all I can offer is an opinion. If you don't accept my answers, that's your option, but I'm not going to keep trying until you agree with me.

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That’s fair enough.
At this point, ignoring the “what if” scenarios, do you think AJ wins the rematch?

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That’s fair enough.
At this point, ignoring the “what if” scenarios, do you think AJ wins the rematch?

I do. Joshua will try to impose his biggest assets that got him to the top in the first place: his size and power. He will go for the KO. He'll have to do it carefully, but if he wants those belts back, he'll sure try.

[Oregonian]

I do. Joshua will try to impose his biggest assets that got him to the top in the first place: his size and power. He will go for the KO. He'll have to do it carefully, but if he wants those belts back, he'll sure try.

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I would agree that AJ will try to go for the KO. Perhaps a la Maidana (against Floyd).
Problem is, Usyk is a quick southpaw - I just watched their fight last night again. AJ had trouble with Usyk’s movement.

So being extremely careful I think he’ll stay on the outside like he did vs Ruiz.

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I would agree that AJ will try to go for the KO. Perhaps a la Maidana (against Floyd).
Problem is, Usyk is a quick southpaw - I just watched their fight last night again. AJ had trouble with Usyk’s movement.

So being extremely careful I think he’ll stay on the outside like he did vs Ruiz.

Joshua is tall and long, so staying on the outside shouldn't be a problem. However, he will not get that KO from there. It will be complicated, because while he'll have to be careful, he must also take chances in order to try and catch Usyk with something big.

[Toffee]

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I would agree that AJ will try to go for the KO. Perhaps a la Maidana (against Floyd).
Problem is, Usyk is a quick southpaw - I just watched their fight last night again. AJ had trouble with Usyk’s movement.

So being extremely careful I think he’ll stay on the outside like he did vs Ruiz.

He's not good enough to stay on the outside.

He tried that in the first few rounds and got outclassed. Usyk's movement is just too good for Joshua to maintain range. Usyk found it easy to get in range and Joshua was so focused on getting the range back he wasn't able to throw anything more than an ineffective jab.

His success in the mid rounds came from abandoning the plan to maintain range. He went to throwing lead rights and got Usyk's respect with his power.

I think that will be his plan. When Usyk steps in, make him feel something.

I'm sure Usyk will have a plan B, C etc though....

[PRINCEKOOL]

He's not good enough to stay on the outside.

He tried that in the first few rounds and got outclassed. Usyk's movement is just too good for Joshua to maintain range. Usyk found it easy to get in range and Joshua was so focused on getting the range back he wasn't able to throw anything more than an ineffective jab.

His success in the mid rounds came from abandoning the plan to maintain range. He went to throwing lead rights and got Usyk's respect with his power.

I think that will be his plan. When Usyk steps in, make him feel something.

I'm sure Usyk will have a plan B, C etc though....

But, lets be honest? Yes Joshua was being beaten when trying to box from long range 'But he was not being beaten up, or completely demoralized'.

A fighter must be able to mixed things up. If this fight goes long, Joshua knows that he can at-least compete with Usyk from long range.

Joshua was not in a situation were he was completely hopeless from long range. People are over exaggerating Usyk's ability from long range.

Go and watch Lennox Lewis vs David Tua, now that is complete and utter domination from Lennox Lewis 'With his long range abilities'.

None of this happened vs Anthony Joshua. When he decided to box from long range vs Usyk, he was just edged.

If this rematch goes long, Joshua has to mixed the ranges up. This will help him maintain a pace, and even recover after high intensity attacks.

Overall the build up to this fight has been extremely dramatic, especially regarding Joshua's tactics.

Note: Usyk has dominated no heavyweight from long range, to the extent Lennox Lewis did. Uysk was only able to beat Chisora and create distance, due to Chisora fatiguing.

Joshua if this fight goes long, will have to mixed the ranges up.

[Toffee]

But, lets be honest? Yes Joshua was being beaten when trying to box from long range 'But he was not being beaten up, or completely demoralized'.

A fighter must be able to mixed things up. If this fight goes long, Joshua knows that he can at-least compete with Usyk from long range.

Joshua was not in a situation were he was completely hopeless from long range. People are over exaggerating Usyk's ability from long range.

Go and watch Lennox Lewis vs David Tua, now that is complete and utter domination from Lennox Lewis 'With his long range abilities'.

None of this happened vs Anthony Joshua. When he decided to box from long range vs Usyk, he was just edged.

If this rematch goes long, Joshua has to mixed the ranges up. This will help him maintain a pace, and even recover after high intensity attacks.

Overall the build up to this fight has been extremely dramatic, especially regarding Joshua's tactics.

Note: Usyk has dominated no heavyweight from long range, to the extent Lennox Lewis did. Uysk was only able to beat Chisora and create distance, due to Chisora fatiguing.

Joshua if this fight goes long, will have to mixed the ranges up.

Usyk was edging it, but he was clearly edging it (if you know what I mean). No-one could argue any of the first three rounds for Joshua. They weren't one sided, but Usyk was clearly the winner in them.

In that spell Usyk wasn't dominating from range, he was moving in and taking the range away. Joshua was trying to maintain range and failing.

I agree the build up has been dramatic about Joshua's tactics but I think they're central. They were for the first fight too - I posted that I just couldn't see how the two styles would come together. Others figured Joshua just wins behind his length which was definitely proven wrong

I'd like to see a Joshua win and I give him a decent chance. But I think he's got to really hurt Usyk from round one to do it by the mid to late rounds. He started too late in the first fight and he'd already had the draining effect of three rounds of trying to avoid Usyk.