Comments Thread For: Joshua: I Saw A lot of Coaches Before Selecting New Trainer - Robert Garcia Was The Standout

[Bob]

More like alot of coaches didn't fanboy at the chance & wanted Andy Johnson to relocate to they're gyms to get him out of his comfort zone & work haaaard.
Still having nightmares about taking over America i reckon.

[PrimadonnaKool]

Is AJ in a worse position now than Klitschko was after his 2nd loss?

Yes purely because of age.

Wlad was 27 when he lost the second time, AJ is 32 almost 33

AJ is smack **** in the middle of his physical prime. He can't take 2-3 years out to comprehensively learn a new style the way Wlad did with steward.

He stayed with Mcracken for far too long, Rob is a very basic trainer who's only real pro success came with Carl Froch, who was a guy who won many of his fights on the back of a titanium chin and 15 round stamina, two intangibles Joshua does not have

A more nuanced trainer would have noticed Joshuas deficiencies in his early years and worked on them.

Steward KNEW Wlad had a bad chin and not brilliant natural stamina so he worked for YEARS to embed in him a style that made his chin very hard to get to, and allowed him to manage the pace of all his fights


Rob isn't anywhere near that advanced.

[juggernaut666]

Yes purely because of age.

Wlad was 27 when he lost the second time, AJ is 32 almost 33

AJ is smack **** in the middle of his physical prime. He can't take 2-3 years out to comprehensively learn a new style the way Wlad did with steward.

He stayed with Mcracken for far too long, Rob is a very basic trainer who's only real pro success came with Carl Froch, who was a guy who won many of his fights on the back of a titanium chin and 15 round stamina, two intangibles Joshua does not have

A more nuanced trainer would have noticed Joshuas deficiencies in his early years and worked on them.

Steward KNEW Wlad had a bad chin and not brilliant natural stamina so he worked for YEARS to embed in him a style that made his chin very hard to get to, and allowed him to manage the pace of all his fights


Rob isn't anywhere near that advanced.

Klitchko didn’t have a stranglehold in the division like Joshua does ,Wlad wasn’t even a popular fighter when he lost early on . He was urged to retire by Vitali he was on his way out .

Joshua defended the title numerous times before he lost and Usyk isn’t a Sanders or that football player he lost to . Joshua has a much better grip in the division even if he doesn’t have a belt immediately if he were to lose again ,age isn’t the deciding factor here it’s who has done more and it’s not even close . Joshua has 9 or 10 title bouts so far , Klitchko lost his 24th or 25th fight I think coming up in the division still he was walking on egg shells so age is irrelevant here .

The fact he defeated Klitchko himself gives him a far greater shelf life he’s just to popular to discard ,Joshua makes the division really because he fights the top guys .

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So the killer instincts got lost in the two losses?

He tried to use it against Ruiz in their first fight, but he underestimated Andy's chin and determination. He abandoned it against Usyk, instead trying to outbox a better boxer.

[Oregonian]

Is AJ in a worse position now than Klitschko was after his 2nd loss?

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So we are now moving from Maidana to Wladimir. Ok.
You are correct about Wladimir. He got a new trainer and changed his style and dominated.
Wladimir was bigger than most of his opponents and the competition available wasn’t that great.

Again, your Wladimir example is legit.
I just don’t think AJ can bounce back like Wladimir when you have guys like Wilder, Fury and even the 50 year old Ortiz around.

[Oregonian]

He tried to use it against Ruiz in their first fight, but he underestimated Andy's chin and determination. He abandoned it against Usyk, instead trying to outbox a better boxer.

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Those sound like excuses for AJ. Whatever he did in both fights, he got beat. Period.

Two, why didn’t his team go to plan B when their guy was getting beat. By the 5th round, his coach could tell what’s not working.

[PrimadonnaKool]

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So we are now moving from Maidana to Wladimir. Ok.
You are correct about Wladimir. He got a new trainer and changed his style and dominated.
Wladimir was bigger than most of his opponents and the competition available wasn’t that great.

Again, your Wladimir example is legit.
I just don’t think AJ can bounce back like Wladimir when you have guys like Wilder, Fury and even the 50 year old Ortiz around.

Please stop with Ortiz, he was getting dropped by jabs off Charles Martin, he would get his brains splattered by a Joshua with 1 week training camp.

[Oregonian]

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Please stop with Ortiz, he was getting dropped by jabs off Charles Martin, he would get his brains splattered by a Joshua with 1 week training camp. [QUOTE]
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I’m glad you didn’t disagree about Wilder and Fury destroying AJ.
As for Ortiz, I pick him because that’s how low I think of AJ.

[Oregonian]

Yes purely because of age.

Wlad was 27 when he lost the second time, AJ is 32 almost 33

AJ is smack **** in the middle of his physical prime. He can't take 2-3 years out to comprehensively learn a new style the way Wlad did with steward.

He stayed with Mcracken for far too long, Rob is a very basic trainer who's only real pro success came with Carl Froch, who was a guy who won many of his fights on the back of a titanium chin and 15 round stamina, two intangibles Joshua does not have

A more nuanced trainer would have noticed Joshuas deficiencies in his early years and worked on them.

Steward KNEW Wlad had a bad chin and not brilliant natural stamina so he worked for YEARS to embed in him a style that made his chin very hard to get to, and allowed him to manage the pace of all his fights


Rob isn't anywhere near that advanced.

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Truer words have NEVER been spoken.

[SUBZER0ED]

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Those sound like excuses for AJ. Whatever he did in both fights, he got beat. Period.

Two, why didn’t his team go to plan B when their guy was getting beat. By the 5th round, his coach could tell what’s not working.

You asked if he lost his killer instinct in those losses, I gave my take on what went wrong. You'll have to ask his team about why they didn't go to plan b. Maybe that's why McKraken is gone.