Comments Thread For: Hearn Says 'Change' Is Happening in Saudi Arabia, Praises Country's Investment In Boxing

[Wacked_Out]

If an honest government from an honest country asked me, a citizen, to club a baby seal for a lot of money, I would refuse. If a dishonest countries government wanted me to box for a ton of money I say hell yeah!! It's just F'n boxing. Don't get sanctimonious, just let a man earn his DAMN money!!

[Oregonian]

The article was referencing Saudi Arabia. They most certainly have an oppressive government. I was referencing the article. If Eddie was talking about societal change in US or UK, I'm sure the associated comments wouldn't be talking about Saudi Arabia.

The reference obviously struck a nerve for you as you replied to multiple posters with your cute "whataboutism" counterpoints that don't actually address the human rights record of the Kingdom.

I tire of your boring schtick and will allow you to have the final comment but you will get no more of my attention in the matter. If you care to talk boxing that is another thing...

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Whataboutism is very applicable in political discourse especially when people hold absolute stances.
Saudi Arabia with all its human rights abuse is no different from the US or the UK. If you must point out those facts and take a stance against fights going there, then you must hold the same stance regarding the US.

This logic is no different than say you criticizing Usyk for using PEDS while being quiet when AJ gets caught for the same offense. It’s called hypocrisy not whataboutism.

[Monty Fisto]

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Do you have any proof that there’s human rights abuse in Saudi Arabia?
There are tons and tons of evidence showing there is so much human right abuse in the US not to mention the invasion of other countries Willy-Nilly.

In answer to your question: yes.

You know there is an endless list of cases of people being beheaded for sorcery, witchraft and apostast (a.k.a. deciding what which religion you beleive in), all of which are corroborated by numerous trusted news services from multiple countries, right?

(e.g. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/saudi-a...d-for-sorcery/


https://sudantribune.com/article39731/


https://www.npr.org/2009/12/21/12171...n-saudi-arabia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18503550 to cite just a small handful).

On top of that you have the reporting of charities like Amnesty International who document the abuses, eg. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...iscrimination/

In fact, there is such a wealth of examples that it seems almost trivial to cite certain ones, when there is what seems like a bottomless pit of cases.

Of course there is the incredibly-well documented case of Jamal Khashoggi (a columnist for the Washington Post). Even the Saudis don't dispute he was lured to their embassy in Turkey and murdered and dismembered. The CIA have intelligence from multiple sources indicating the execution was carried out on the direct orders of Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. The New York times has linked more than 10 of the man involved directly with the Crown Prince. Saudis re-arranged their intelligence service and demoted their foreign minister as a way of placating every civilised nation who demanded to know what the F LI C K was going on.

[Monty Fisto]

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Whataboutism is very applicable in political discourse especially when people hold absolute stances.
Saudi Arabia with all its human rights abuse is no different from the US or the UK. If you must point out those facts and take a stance against fights going there, then you must hold the same stance regarding the US.

This logic is no different than say you criticizing Usyk for using PEDS while being quiet when AJ gets caught for the same offense. It’s called hypocrisy not whataboutism.

Your logic is incredibly flawed.

Someone murders someone. You cannot condemn them unless you have managed to condemn every murder that has every happened?

If the US or the UK commit abuses, then you are welcome to hold them to account for those abuses. Go ahead. The freedoms of those countries give you a voice to do so without fear of repercussion.

(The people of Saudi Arabia do not have those freedoms. If their country commits an abuse, no one in those countries are free to object, because they face extrajudicial punishment. Imprisonment without due process. Torture. Maybe execution.)

What you are not welcome to do is to say: people should not criticise Saudi Arabia for its wrongoings because there are wrongdoings in other countries. I completely reject your notion that a wrong cannot be protested in isolation. Furthermore, I reject your claim that the Saudi abuses are no different from the US or the UK. They are. The kinds of abuses seen in Saudi Arabia do not occur habitually in the UK or the US and when they do, they are open to scrutiny and censure... By the law, by the media, by the public.

[Monty Fisto]

If an honest government from an honest country asked me, a citizen, to club a baby seal for a lot of money, I would refuse. If a dishonest countries government wanted me to box for a ton of money I say hell yeah!! It's just F'n boxing. Don't get sanctimonious, just let a man earn his DAMN money!!

If you decide to take a ton of money from a dishonest government to box for their entertainment, that's your choice -- but you can't complain if the response from the world is : you took a ton of money from a dishonest government and we think you are pond scum for it.

[brettWall]

Hearn is after their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Nothing to do with change. Give me **** break.

[Wacked_Out]

If you decide to take a ton of money from a dishonest government to box for their entertainment, that's your choice -- but you can't complain if the response from the world is : you took a ton of money from a dishonest government and we think you are pond scum for it.

You might but I wont

[Monty Fisto]

You might but I wont

That's fine. I will grant you that you would happy to do it. It's not hugely relevant to AJ vs Usyk though, barring you think the same way they and Hearn do.

The point remains that AJ, Usyk and Hearn open themselves to being called out for taking the Saudi blood money because -- newsflash -- they are taking the Saudi blood money.