Comments Thread For: Hearn Says 'Change' Is Happening in Saudi Arabia, Praises Country's Investment In Boxing

[Wacked_Out]

Yes, which is the whataboutery argument, which excuses Saudi Arabia not one jot for the bad shlt they have done.

Your argument basically amounts to every country is the same, which I think is a very weak argument (I will explain why, bear with me). Things like a government shouldn't lock up an individual without charge or fair trial have been accepted in the west since medieval times. It goes all the way back to the magna carta and is fundamentally about how everyone has a fundamental right to being treated in an equitable fashion by the rulers. But you don't have that in 2022 in Saudi Arabia and this is about calling them out on that.

This is about boxing, yes. About the Saudis using their oil money to use boxing as a tool to distract from their terrible abuses of human rights. And there we have a key difference between Saudi Arabia and the other countries for which you claim we can 'cite some bad crap.' If the fight was in the US, or the UK, the fight wouldn't be funded by the regime. It would ultimately be funded by what commercial revenue the fight generates. Not so with Saudi Arabia, where the funding is inextricably linked with the bad regime.

I couldnt care less about changing another country's ways. I also believe the statement 'the Saudis using their oil money to use boxing as a tool to distract from their terrible abuses of human rights' is a projection. They don't care. Why should they pander? They have all the f'n money and they are cool being who they are. And again I don't really care either way. Let Joshua make his damn money any way he wants..I'm gonna let You be the one getting upset by this and ****ing your head against the wall for the cause instead of me.

[Oregonian]

I go to Eddie for boxing, I don't go to Eddie to get a guage on social development within oppressive societies.

I understand he's asked questions and he has to answer them. He admits he goes there because of the money but he tries to take the sting out of the reality by saying he's seen change within the society and also the society's attitude towards boxing.

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If Saudi Arabia was such an oppressive society, why is the US and the UK investing so much with them.
Clinton, *****, Trump, George W, George Sr etc and Tony Blair and Thatcher have all sold untold billions to Saudi Arabia. They are all great friends so Hearn is just doing what our ********ic (the greatest form of governance by the way) and Capitalistic nations doing.

[Oregonian]

We already knew you were a cheap sellout, Eddie boy.

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Not really. He’s just following on the steps of the US and the UK (greatest ********ic nations ever) in investing in Saudi Arabia.
If the imperialist nations can invade, murder and pillage other nations and you are ok with it, then you must support Hearn’s initiatives.

[Oregonian]

For one, the Saudis. Why do you think they are putting up the money? They care.

Plus, anyone with a jot of social responsibility should care if the leader of a nation has people arbitrarily ****** up, tortured and/or murdered civilians for trivial 'offences' (suh as critcising the regime). The Saudis pay up a lot of money for this, for their new golf tournament and so on. A sportsman can take the money, but it comes with some baggage. If people say: "Hey, sportsman, you took the ****** lucre from the nation with the leader who murders and tortures journalists", this seems fair, as it is precisely what they have done.

It's not like Joshua would go hungry if he didn't have this fight in Saudi Arabia. Anywhere he chose, he would still make millions. Yet he was happy to do the deal with the nation with the appalling human rights record for that extra bit of cash. And he goes down in my estimations (again, after doing it for the Ruiz fight).

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If you’re ok with fights being held in the US or UK then you should be ok with Saudi Arabia.
I say this because I figure you are ok with both imperialist nations invading other nations, murdering and pillaging them till kingdom come under the guise of freedom and democracy.
Democracy being the greatest thing ever shat on this planet, of course.

[PBR Streetgang]

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If Saudi Arabia was such an oppressive society, why is the US and the UK investing so much with them.
Clinton, *****, Trump, George W, George Sr etc and Tony Blair and Thatcher have all sold untold billions to Saudi Arabia. They are all great friends so Hearn is just doing what our ********ic (the greatest form of governance by the way) and Capitalistic nations doing.

I have a feeling you already know the answer. I don't understand your point. I don't use any governments policies as my moral compass to determine what is right or what is wrong.

I have no problem if you do, perhaps your female relatives would enjoy growing up there in the Kingdom. Cheers.

[Oregonian]

Yes, which is the whataboutery argument, which excuses Saudi Arabia not one jot for the bad shlt they have done.

Your argument basically amounts to every country is the same, which I think is a very weak argument (I will explain why, bear with me). Things like a government shouldn't lock up an individual without charge or fair trial have been accepted in the west since medieval times. It goes all the way back to the magna carta and is fundamentally about how everyone has a fundamental right to being treated in an equitable fashion by the rulers. But you don't have that in 2022 in Saudi Arabia and this is about calling them out on that.

This is about boxing, yes. About the Saudis using their oil money to use boxing as a tool to distract from their terrible abuses of human rights. And there we have a key difference between Saudi Arabia and the other countries for which you claim we can 'cite some bad crap.' If the fight was in the US, or the UK, the fight wouldn't be funded by the regime. It would ultimately be funded by what commercial revenue the fight generates. Not so with Saudi Arabia, where the funding is inextricably linked with the bad regime.

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Do you have any proof that there’s human rights abuse in Saudi Arabia?
There are tons and tons of evidence showing there is so much human right abuse in the US not to mention the invasion of other countries Willy-Nilly.

[PBR Streetgang]

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If you’re ok with fights being held in the US or UK then you should be ok with Saudi Arabia.
I say this because I figure you are ok with both imperialist nations invading other nations, murdering and pillaging them till kingdom come under the guise of freedom and democracy.
Democracy being the greatest thing ever shat on this planet, of course.

Ah yes, thank you for your example of "whataboutism".

[Oregonian]

I have a feeling you already know the answer. I don't understand your point. I don't use any governments policies as my moral compass to determine what is right or what is wrong.

I have no problem if you do, perhaps your female relatives would enjoy growing up there in the Kingdom. Cheers.

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No moral compass required. You just pointed fingers at Saudi Arabia while willfully ignoring the same happens in the US & UK - all laws created and controlled by deep pockets corporations.

[Oregonian]

Ah yes, thank you for your example of "whataboutism".

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This is the new world we live in … we create labels when we can’t defend our arguments. Labels to paint others negatively

New words like TWERFS and TERFS and of course Whataboutism which is actually old but showed up in full force after Trump’s election.

[PBR Streetgang]

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No moral compass required. You just pointed fingers at Saudi Arabia while willfully ignoring the same happens in the US & UK - all laws created and controlled by deep pockets corporations.

The article was referencing Saudi Arabia. They most certainly have an oppressive government. I was referencing the article. If Eddie was talking about societal change in US or UK, I'm sure the associated comments wouldn't be talking about Saudi Arabia.

The reference obviously struck a nerve for you as you replied to multiple posters with your cute "whataboutism" counterpoints that don't actually address the human rights record of the Kingdom.

I tire of your boring schtick and will allow you to have the final comment but you will get no more of my attention in the matter. If you care to talk boxing that is another thing...