Deontay Wilders best win is SCRAPING by a 40 year old ortiz

[Toffee]

Ortiz has only been beaten once, only by Wilder.

Ortiz is way off his peak miles off, and is about to face Andy Ruiz Junior.

Lets see if Ruiz Junior can do him.

Andy Ruiz Junior is one of the divisions best fighters. He is better than Dillian Whyte.

Whyte has a top resume. But whenever he has stepped up in levels, to that elite level? He has been beaten badly.

Joshua, Fury & Povetkin. Povetkin during their first fight was still performing at world class to elite level. Whyte deserves big credit for taking the immediate rematch, but Povetkin was not really in his best condition.

If it was not for Wilder's power, Ortiz probably would of beaten Wilder. If Ortiz can last 12 rounds with Andy Ruiz Junior, this proves to me that he was a better fighter than Dillian Whyte.

Whyte has been unable to last the distance with a Elite level fighter. Ortiz is miles off his peak, and is facing off against a Elite level fighter.

If Povetkin was still elite... doesn't Whyte's first performance deserve some credit? He was beating Povetkin up until he ducked straight onto a perfect uppercut.

I think most sane people still fancied him in the rematch, even before we saw Povetkin looking off colour.

Whereas Ortiz never took the risky fight. He got held back and then fed to Wilder. A man who's only 'notable' win was Bryant Jennings against a reigning champion who's only 'notable' win was Stiverne.

Make no mistake - that was the weak side of the bracket.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If Povetkin was still elite... doesn't Whyte's first performance deserve some credit? He was beating Povetkin up until he ducked straight onto a perfect uppercut.

I think most sane people still fancied him in the rematch, even before we saw Povetkin looking off colour.

Whereas Ortiz never took the risky fight. He got held back and then fed to Wilder. A man who's only 'notable' win was Bryant Jennings against a reigning champion who's only 'notable' win was Stiverne.

Make no mistake - that was the weak side of the bracket.

Whyte deserves credit, because he was brutally knocked out. But he showed awesome resolved jumping straight back in there with Povetkin.

It was a good win. But Povetkin was clearly, not in the best of condition.

Ortiz faced off with Wilder twice, that was a risky fight. Ortiz is now facing Andy Ruiz Junior.

Ortiz is way out of his peak, and has just beaten Charles Martin. Solid win.

On his night ability wise, I think Luis Ortiz is a better fighter than Whyte.

[KillaMane26]

Here we go again

[Toffee]

Whyte deserves credit, because he was brutally knocked out. But he showed awesome resolved jumping straight back in their with Povetkin.

It was a good win. But Povetkin was clearly, not in the best of condition.

Ortiz faced off with Wilder twice, that was a risky fight. Ortiz is not facing Andy Ruiz Junior.

Ortiz is way out of his peak, and has just beaten Charles Martin. Solid win.

On his night ability wise, I think Luis Ortiz is a better fighter than Whyte.

Ortiz might well be the better fighter, and that's a fair opinion based on what you've seen of both. But Ortiz never proved anything. His best win is Jennings. Actually his best performances were defeats.

Risky doesn't mean hard. Taking on the champion isn't a risk - it's an opportunity. The rewards outweigh the cost of losing. Ortiz never took a risky fight, which is why he never proved what kind of level he was at. All we know is that he couldn't beat Wilder but we don't know who he could beat. Unless he has a late career surge we'll probably never know where Ortiz' level was.

Whyte took plenty of risks. Povetkin was probably an unnecessary one. Yes it briefly backfired, but at least he backed himself in.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Ortiz might well be the better fighter, and that's a fair opinion based on what you've seen of both. But Ortiz never proved anything. His best win is Jennings. Actually his best performances were defeats.

Risky doesn't mean hard. Taking on the champion isn't a risk - it's an opportunity. The rewards outweigh the cost of losing. Ortiz never took a risky fight, which is why he never proved what kind of level he was at. All we know is that he couldn't beat Wilder but we don't know who he could beat. Unless he has a late career surge we'll probably never know where Ortiz' level was.

Whyte took plenty of risks. Povetkin was probably an unnecessary one. Yes it briefly backfired, but at least he backed himself in.

I think he proved something in his two performances vs Wilder. People can mock Wilder, but once upon a time? He was the most dangerous and feared man in the sport.

And even way out of his peak, Ortiz is now taking on Ruiz Junior. If he wins, he has a better win on his record than Whyte's resume.

If Ortiz vs Whyte was made next, even now? I think there would be people picking Ortiz to win.

[STREET CLEANER]

Love how some here speak from both sides of their mouths. Wilder is a bum but Fury is #1 because he beat him 3 times. Ortiz is a bum but was skilled enough that he was winning both fights until he got caught.

Wilder doesn't have a lot of skill but his right hand is legit and he can deliver it. The only fighter that was not knocked down in a fight or let alone stopped was in his first Stiverne fight where he broke his hand early in the fight.

If anyone will ever have a puncher's chance in a fight it will be Wilder.

[hugh grant]

Wilder was no2 on the strength of people thinking he'd beat josh or usy k by ko after losing every second, minute and round before being perfect for 2 seconds.
because wilder doesn't have better wins than his peers have

[ELPacman]

Careful. You're on the lines of tarnishing Fury's greatest win if you say Wilder was trash, lol.