Is there an Unbeatable Mode?

[War Room]

It's an impossible statement to make. There is no one style that is kryptonite to all others. Fury fought a certain style against Wlad because it was good enough to beat a past prime Klitschko. Even then it was about narrowly winning rounds. A slightly faster or more committed Klitschko and you have a different outcome.

That said, I've always thought the Ali that beat Foreman was too good and too smart for anyone. Using Foreman against himself was genius - if you can do that to Foreman, who is there who is going to be good enough to come up with a style you can't beat?

It's not about styles, it's about an embodiement like Flow State.

[Roberto Vasquez]

It's not a question, that might be your problem. It's a hypothetical STATEMENT. Vlad didn't perform well, because Fury didn't let him.

Yes partly but Wlad also was gun shy and risk-averse because of his psychological make up. He would not have been like that 2nd fight when he had nothing to lose. If what you say is true then Fury would have had no trouble taking the rematch. But he didn't....

Fury su****iously still only has 2 title defences (is there any more obvious scammer?) and he is retired. Imagine if AJ had 2 title defences - we would be ripping him to pieces for ducking. But weirdly Fury gets away with it.

[War Room]

Yes partly but Wlad also was gun shy and risk-averse because of his psychological make up. He would not have been like that 2nd fight when he had nothing to lose. If what you say is true then Fury would have had no trouble taking the rematch. But he didn't....

Fury su****iously still only has 2 title defences (is there any more obvious scammer?) and he is retired. Imagine if AJ had 2 title defences - we would be ripping him to pieces for ducking. But weirdly Fury gets away with it.

Gun shy from what, his 22 win streak he was on?

Rematches have nothing to do with this so I have no idea why anyone would say if what you say is true then Fury would have had no trouble taking the rematch. That makes zero sense. I literally said in my OP that I'm the first one to talk about this and the concept is very esoteric, not an industry standard lmao. So no, there is no if/then clasue to my statement, it's philosophical.

And why would you rematch someone you beat 10-2?

You're obviously a Fury hater and that's ok, but let's not try and take the wind out of my sails and this phenomenon over it.

[Charlie Zelenoff]

I wouldn't call it an unbeatable mode per say. But there are times when extraordinary fighters get into a mindset and perform beyond their usual abilities and they look invincible. I've been able to tap into this mode many times before in the past.

[War Room]

I wouldn't call it an unbeatable mode per say. But there are times when extraordinary fighters get into a mindset and perform beyond their usual abilities and they look invincible. I've been able to tap into this mode many times before in the past.

Yes, it's called Flow State. Your brain is firing on a higher level of hertz than normal people and you get into a mode where nothing can go wrong. Many scientists call this a eureka state.

I'll be doing another thread on it very soon which will further prove my theory here.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Gun shy from what, his 22 win streak he was on?

Rematches have nothing to do with this so I have no idea why anyone would say if what you say is true then Fury would have had no trouble taking the rematch. That makes zero sense. I literally said in my OP that I'm the first one to talk about this and the concept is very esoteric, not an industry standard lmao. So no, there is no if/then clasue to my statement, it's philosophical.

And why would you rematch someone you beat 10-2?

You're obviously a Fury hater and that's ok, but let's not try and take the wind out of my sails and this phenomenon over it.

Wlad was always "safety first" in the ring - the first time he wasn't, was in the Joshua fight when he had nothing to lose anymore. What I said *does* make sense - because I watched the interview with Fury after the Wlad fight and he said Wlad started to catch him in the final round and he had a headache for 2 weeks after because of how hard he hit. He knew when it got to the 12th Wlad lost that "safety-first" mentality and had started to take risks.. and that was what was coming in the rematch too.

My point is there is no phenomenon - just styles/fights and psychology and who performs on the night and who doesn't. You could say Fury was in unbeatable mode against Wilder (he was looking great ducking under Wilder's swings) in their first fight but then you got the 2 knockdowns at the end, the 2nd one could have won it for Wilder with a different ref. If Wilder had never have landed (there's always an element of luck) you would be saying Fury was in "unbeatable" mode that night too.

As for the rematch - it was contracted. Only way Fury could avoid it was to retire OR for Wlad to not take it. But was soon as Wlad said he would take it - Fury retired.

[War Room]

and that was what was coming in the rematch too.

Unknown, you're not a fortune teller, facts.

My point is there is no phenomenon - just styles/fights and psychology and who performs on the night and who doesn't.

Wrong, Flow State exists, its a measurable scientific fact, facts.

Wrong, there is no such thing as styles make fights. Fighters make fights, facts.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Unknown, you're not a fortune teller, facts.



Wrong, Flow State exists, its a measurable scientific fact, facts.

Wrong, there is no such thing as styles make fights. Fighters make fights, facts.

You don't seem to be very good at discussion but you are very good at writing "facts" after everything you say.

What has flow state got to do with unbeatable mode? You can be in flow state and lose. If your point was "Does flow state exist?" then yes we are in agreement. "Facts!"

[War Room]

You don't seem to be very good at discussion but you are very good at writing "facts" after everything you say.

What has flow state got to do with unbeatable mode? You can be in flow state and lose. If your point was "Does flow state exist?" then yes we are in agreement. "Facts!"

Do you mean discussion or mindless argueing?? When I display a fact, I indicate it and there is nothing anybody can do to change it.

You don't know anything about what Flow State really is then and you're not going to just Google it. Flow State is a eureka moment, where nothing can go wrong. Your brain is firing on an extremely high amout of hz compared to a normal person. I've experienced this competing in boxing and in being a musician. You really have to experience it to understand it, it's completely mind-body. It's not just being in the zone, but in place of pure perfection when everything is effortless, your body becomes the instrument and is being controlled by something else. Problem is, tapping in is one thing, but holding the connection is something completely different.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Do you mean discussion or mindless argueing?? When I display a fact, I indicate it and there is nothing anybody can do to change it.

You don't know anything about what Flow State really is then and you're not going to just Google it. Flow State is a eureka moment, where nothing can go wrong. Your brain is firing on an extremely high amout of hz compared to a normal person. I've experienced this competing in boxing and in being a musician. You really have to experience it to understand it, it's completely mind-body. It's not just being in the zone, but in place of pure perfection when everything is effortless, your body becomes the instrument and is being controlled by something else. Problem is, tapping in is one thing, but holding the connection is something completely different.

You are writing "fact" after opinions. Flow state existing is a fact. But yes you can lose in flow state. That is a fact. Even just one obvious thing can tell you that - what if you have 2 fighters in flow state? Secondly humans are still human, we still have limited reactions and perception.

From memory you gave Tyson Fury against an old Wlad as an example of unbeatable mode. I watched an interview with Fury a week or two after the fight and he said he still felt sick and still had a headache from how hard he got hit in the 12th round of that fight. If he can be in flow state and get hit that hard then he can't have been unbeatable. He put on a very good performance that night but he wasn't unbeatable, no one is. Fury also did a very good job on Wlad before the fight (in terms of psychology)