Comments Thread For: Roy Jones Takes Exception To Klitschko Criticism: Why Would You Target Me?

[Cortez]

Everybody knows that Roy Jones Jr. became a Russian citizen in 2015, right? He holds dual citizenship. He's either with them or against them, right? Vlad is right to call him out. Roy is literally the enemy.

roy can stroll around the crimea and wlad can't , that's what wlad is mad about, the funniest part of it all is that roy has no idea what the hell klitschko is talking about.

[BustedKnuckles]

Klitschko should denounce the Azov Battalion and his puppet regime.

You're the puppet. Moving your mouth with no intelligence or understanding, and just parroting somebody else's agenda.

[Monty Fisto]

No Russian leader is going to allow such weaponary from nato or other hostile forces so close to moscow, none. There was agreements in place not to ever do so. But they did it anyway.
The world is not a fair place, America has threatened ww3 over such things not even on their land mass.

As for Crimea , Jones homeland, everybody there sides with Russia and look at its strategic importance, imagine a nato bast there on Russian supply lines lol

The nonsense needs to end , the Ukraine can do a deal tomorrow , else their line is going to be continuously pushed back if they keep pursuing such policies. It doesn't look like Russia even want the other regions, they are happy to keep it destabliized yet functioning. As long as it's no so viable as a threat.

There is also no reason to stop gas or doing business, it only effects the normal people of the USA , more so the EU and even more so the regular Russians, I don't think the *****s , *****s , Zelenskis or even klitschos of this world have an issue paying their bills.

You are toeing the Kremlin's line.

Russia claims NATO agreed not to expand into the Baltic states during discussions at the time of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
This is naturally nonsense, as at that point in time, all the Baltic states were part of the Soviet Union. There would be no cause for agreeing on a contingency of NATO putting its forces in part of the Soviet Union, just in case the Soviet Union happened to disintegrate. How would that even come up? Soviet Union: oh, just in case we completely fall apart, we want an agreement on your behaviour with regards to the states that our leader might voluntarily makes separate sovereign entlties.

It was obviously never discussed, as no one saw it coming.

When it did happen -- Boris Yeltsin dissolving the Soviet Union, to leave Gorbachev in charge of something that no longer existed -- the political landscape changed radically. The Baltic States, who had always regarded their part in the Soviet Union as an illegal occupation (all having been sovereign nations before 1940) chose not to become part of the then newly-formed Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). Naturally, they looked west and chose to join NATO, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia all joining in 2004. This is in line with the view that has always been held by the West, which is that the Soviet land-grab of these countries in WWII was an unlawful occupation. Which it absolutely was.

When these countries joined Russia, there was no protest from Russia. In fact in the intervening 18 years there has been no hint of the NATO forces in these countries being hostile to Russia, even after Russia's illegal invasion of the Crimea. The hostility, of course, has eventually come from Russia, with its illegal war of agression in Ukraine.

As for what agreements were actually in place, this is the key one: in 1994, Russia, the UK, the US all agreed to the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, which was all about how to deal with the Soviet-era nukes left in Ukraine, Belarus and Hungary after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Everyone was concerned with stopping the proliferation of nuclear weapons. What was agreed (and China and France were also lesser signatories) was that Ukraine, Belarus and Hungary would agree to hand over their nukes, becoming non-nuclear states in exchange for all signatories agreeing to refrain from threatening or using military force against any of these countries.

This is key. Ukraine at the time had the world's third-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons. They agreed to give them up and the deal was Russia would never threaten or attack them.

Russia has clearly breached this agreement, one of the many ways that their aggression is unlawful and why they haven't got a moral leg to stand on (ignoring the obvious other war crimes, such as summary executions of Ukrainian civilians).

The cynical expedience of your suggestion that Ukraine should just make a deal completely ignores that they are an invaded sovereign nation, suffering at the hands of a country that already broke the deal they already had. Why exactly should they cede land to the aggressor? The one most obviously unacceptable thing when it comes to international law is a country expanding its borders by military conquest, obliterating the rights of civilians to live free lives within their own borders.

*****'s ambitions are obvious and there is zero evidence that he can be trusted given past behaviour or that he will cease agression if appeased with ceded land. In the case of dealing with world leaders, past performance is a guide to the future. He said he wasn't invading Crimea. Then Crimea fell and suddenly Russian flags went up at the airport and borders. Then he massed forces at Ukraine's other borders. We are not going to invade, he said. Then he invaded. He promises corridors for civilians to retreat from the front. Then he shells the civilians. He has zero credibility and is a proven liar. If he gains part of Ukraine, he will be back for more in the future. If he gains all of Ukraine, he will look to Poland and Finland and so on.

[BustedKnuckles]

Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

Klitschko should denounce the meddling of George Soros and the West in the Ukrainian revolution.



Everything. Absolutely everything. Seriously? Those connections are also keeping you uninformed and biased. You should find out more elsewhere.

You and ur fellow trolls might confuse people who really don't know what to think, but just saying something doesn't make it so.

Some of us lived there and know exactly what we're talking about.

[BoxingIsGreat]

From my perspective, I could care less about whatever is happening in Ukraine, and don't follow it. The West is doing all this crap to protect Ukraine because Ukraine is white. Imagine if this was, let's say, Somalia or a non-rich Middle Eastern country, like Yemen? So, your outcry, doesn't move many non-Whites at all.

The world has become too desensitized to care about just Ukraine. In reality, some might even be happy watching an all-white war, despite the consequences to them, like high food and gas prices. Process of elimination.

Leave Roy and his fake honorary Russian citizenship alone.

[peplz]

so according to you Russia did not illegally invade Ukraine, and are justified in the ****, robbery, murder of innocent Ukrainian civilians and are not committing war crimes?

F U C K the Ukraine and all of the Neo **** skinhead racist European rednecks that find a safe haven there!

[BustedKnuckles]

No Russian leader is going to allow such weaponary from nato or other hostile forces so close to moscow, none. There was agreements in place not to ever do so. But they did it anyway.
The world is not a fair place, America has threatened ww3 over such things not even on their land mass.

As for Crimea , Jones homeland, everybody there sides with Russia and look at its strategic importance, imagine a nato bast there on Russian supply lines lol

The nonsense needs to end , the Ukraine can do a deal tomorrow , else their line is going to be continuously pushed back if they keep pursuing such policies. It doesn't look like Russia even want the other regions, they are happy to keep it destabliized yet functioning. As long as it's no so viable as a threat.

There is also no reason to stop gas or doing business, it only effects the normal people of the USA , more so the EU and even more so the regular Russians, I don't think the *****s , *****s , Zelenskis or even klitschos of this world have an issue paying their bills.

Everybody in Crimea sides with Russia? According to whom?

Oh, maybe the kangaroo voting? If Russia invaded your city, and killed your neighbors, destroyed ur neighborhood, and threatened you with their military presence so that you were in fear for your own life, let alone the situation being a lost cause, would u show up to vote if they asked, "Do you like me? Vote yes or no."

Spit. So dumb and foul.

[TernceBudCharlo]

From my perspective, I could care less about whatever is happening in Ukraine, and don't follow it. The West is doing all this crap to protect Ukraine because Ukraine is white. Imagine if this was, let's say, Somalia or a non-rich Middle Eastern country, like Yemen? So, your outcry, doesn't move many non-Whites at all.

The world has become too desensitized to care about just Ukraine. In reality, some might even be happy watching an all-white war, despite the consequences to them, like high food and gas prices.

Leave Roy and his fake honorary Russian citizenship alone.

Actually, we don't need to imagine because genocidie has happened in many African countries and we did NOTHING.

[ThunderFists]

Roy jones is the definition of a fighter. Look at his upbringing and the way he was in the ring, vicious.

Klitschko on the other hand has always been some sort of condescending hippie, i think he only started boxing because vitali was dwelling in it. His whole career is filled with him jab and hug jab and hug or him getting knocked out by average fighters in his prime. I knew he was a mope when he started talking about gay rights out of nowhere in an interview

[Boxingfanatic75]

Only creeps like Steven Seagal and Roy Jones Jr become Russian citizens. Becoming a Russian citizen IS a political statement. He deserves to have his day spoiled.

No, no it truly isn’t. It’s political when one professes it as a political statement. Just because you say it over and over doesn’t make it a factual statement. Now if you find me a geopolitical statement Jones has professed I’ll stand by you. Until then your statement is pure caca