Do I have a reasonable argument for having Floyd Mayweather Jr as the greatest fighter of all time?

[M312]

No he didn't. This has been gone over so many times...

Had Bob Arum been willing to give Floyd a higher guarantee on a De la Hoya bout, Tony and Cotto were future opponents in his newly worked contract with Top Rank.

When that fell apart, so did any potential fights with Top Rank opponents. It's been documented.

He definitely did.

It was the only fight that he should've taken at one point, but he swerved his way around it.

I like Floyd btw, I'm no hater. Just the OP said he didn't duck anyone on the first line. Well he did, let's be truthful.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The frequency back then was the result of much lower level competition, way way lower that's why they fought so regular, a top guy could beat C-D graders every weekend, Robinsons' resume is made of 90% C-D level guys, nobody can compete against the very best more than 2-3 times a year and even that depends on how hard the fights were you maybe only fight once a year after a war, competing today takes more out of the body than it did back then because the level of comp is so high, the peak of human conditioning is more obtainable today which they reach much more than the old-timers got close to, athletes today are much more highly trained prepared beast, and like a F1 car the faster they go the easier it is for things to break.

What was the time length between the rematches that Robinson had with Lamotta? I bet you it was a quicker turn over than they have today.

Tyson Fury's resume is also stacked 80-90% with C-D level fighters.

I don't think the level of competition has changed, there was also probably a higher participation level world wide back in those days.

Boxing right up until around the 1960's, was the biggest sport in the world.

Track and Field athletics and Boxing where for a very long time, the only two Global sports in the world.

They are past times. Football, Tennis, Basketball, Rugby, all the other team sports. Only started to become Global, after the 1960's.

In another thread, I have already blown out the water this talk of Athletes being superior today in boxing.

I cannot be bothered repeating it all again, the information is all on the site.

[FinlandsFinest]

Floyd IS TBE

THE GOAT. He is still the biggest draw in boxing, and he is the most disciplined fighter of all time. All these other guys just getting high and partying, drinking it up getting into car crashes, getting fat in between fights, just undisciplined rat bastards. FLOYD was always at the top of his games.

[Gary Coleman]

He definitely did.

It was the only fight that he should've taken at one point, but he swerved his way around it.

I like Floyd btw, I'm no hater. Just the OP said he didn't duck anyone on the first line. Well he did, let's be truthful.

My post was truthful. He was slated to fight Margarito before he bought out his contract at Top Rank over a money dispute.

Who ducks Margarito and moves up to 154 to fight a far more dangerous opponent in Oscar De La Hoya?

[-Kev-]

I have not seen every single boxer in the history of boxing, so I can't say that for sure. There are apparently some forum members who do know which fighters go where on the list, even fighters with no footage available. They do this, apparently by reading old articles of the way those fighters fought. You know, white journalists hyping up those fighter's skills and detailing how fights went in an era were the top 10 of all, then, 8 weight classes were mostly white. Because we all know, that even now, there aren't mostly extremely biased journalists detailing what THEY saw in a fight.

No matter, just read up on how amazing that jab and footwork was, and that incredible power, and how they beat the "best" of their era (which also just happened to look like them)...Hardly any Mexicans, Cubans, African Americans, Asians, Puerto Ricans, Eastern Europeans, South Americans fighters.

So, no Hagler's, Leonard's or Ali's, no Pacquiao's or Inoue's, no Duran's, Monzon's, or Chocolatito's, no Lara's, Casamayor's, or Rigondeaux's, no Lomachenko's or Usyk's, no Sanchez's, Chavez's, or Marquez's, no Trinidad's, Gomez's, or Ortiz's.

Just the Dempsey's, the Flynn's, the Meehan's and the Tunney's outboxing and knocking themselves out in their own little world where they were the "best", but also the only, trading knockouts and decisions.

Given how much credit is given to journalists today, hypothetically speaking if there is no footage of them 100 years from now, fighters like Mayweather, Wladimir Klitschko and Canelo will be some of the worst boxers in history. While fighters like Demetrius Andrade and Terence Crawford will be some of the greatest fighters who ever lived.

So no, you don't have a case but you are free to have one. Because your opinion would be no worse than those who base their lists on old articles.

I can say, in my opinion, Mayweather is the best fighter from 2003 to 2015. When RJJ was toppled by Tarver, that was when Mayweather became the best, until his last fight vs a pro fighter in 2015. From 1998 to 2003, Mayweather was easily the second best fighter in boxing, imo.

[Roadblock]

What was the time length between the rematches that Robinson had with Lamotta? I bet you it was a quicker turn over than they have today.

Tyson Fury's resume is also stacked 80-90% with C-D level fighters.

I don't think the level of competition has changed, there was also probably a higher participation level world wide back in those days.

Boxing right up until around the 1960's, was the biggest sport in the world.

Track and Field athletics and Boxing where for a very long time, the only two Global sports in the world.

They are past times. Football, Tennis, Basketball, Rugby, all the other team sports. Only started to become Global, after the 1960's.

In another thread, I have already blown out the water this talk of Athletes being superior today in boxing.

I cannot be bothered repeating it all again, the information is all on the site.

You missed the point you cannot keep doing a Lamotta fight after fight, I dont care what comp you are in the very best cannot compete against each other day after dat they will burn up in half the time. the ATGs throughout history will have no more than around 20-30 top level fights on there resume spread out amongst the rest, todays fighters are thrown into more of their limit over a shorter period, meaning they rise quicker into high level comp in in the amateur's the rise in competition is fast..

The ability level of comp has certainly changed, everything in this world has changed its undeniable and the record books reflect it, we are not talking about one or two examples we are talking about the wave consisting of science and technique improvements, the tuition from infant to the world title is so much deeper today.

Other sports will compare against boxing only so far because nothing tests the soul like one on one combat, here mind-body in its fullest is tested, just like dogs compete in all manners of sports from racing to rounding up sheep and nothing will test the complete animal like a conditioned P4P dog fight will., and boxing is the same for the same reasons it tests to the extreme everything.

In the old days boxing was made up mostly of street toughs, pugs and bullies, you never had the professional guidance like they have today, Im nearly 70 yrs old and I can see the difference in the quality of the generalized fighter a mile away. It evolved and will keep on evolving only the gains wont be much and harder to obtain, mankind is getting close to his physical limits, records are milliseconds apart not goal posts.

[M312]

My post was truthful. He was slated to fight Margarito before he bought out his contract at Top Rank over a money dispute.

Who ducks Margarito and moves up to 154 to fight a far more dangerous opponent in Oscar De La Hoya?

He was ducking Margarito a long time before ODLH. What kinda excuse is that?

Dude was being torn apart by fans for maybe a year or two before that for not taking the challenge.

Anyway, you'll never admit it. Never understand why boxing fans are so obsessed they just can't be honest. It's no harm, Floyd is still an ATG, just not TBE.

[hugh grant]

Not best of era, so can't be goat. Top 25 is reasonable, even up to top 20

[Roadblock]

Not best of era, so can't be goat. Top 25 is reasonable, even up to top 20

Whos the best of his era lol, the guy he beat who has 7 losses, you're an idiot.

[Ganondorf]

It’s really pretty tough to match present fighters against past greats. So many unknowns.

Idk. Floyd is great but most fans that have been around awhile will probably strongly disagree with you.

I will just defer to those who claim to know.