POLL: How To Score A Fight – Jabs To Powerpunches

[Cypocryphy]

The biggest problem with scoring fights is subjectiveness, and the biggest grey area within that subjectiveness is quantifying how many jabs equal power punches. When people shout robbery, it almost invariably comes down to judges giving a lot of weight to power punches. So the question is how many jabs does it take to equal one power punch? Cast your vote so we can see where most people are at with regard to scoring.

[War Room]

The biggest problem with scoring fights is subjectiveness, and the biggest grey area within that subjectiveness is quantifying how many jabs equal power punches. When people shout robbery, it almost invariably comes down to judges giving a lot of weight to power punches. So the question is how many jabs does it take to equal one power punch? Cast your vote so we can see where most people are at with regard to scoring.

Your question is flawed due to improper terminology. Anything but a jab is a classified as a power punch, but thats an erroneous way to classify any punch but a jab.

Additionally, not all jabs are created equal.

Aaron Davis vs Mark Brelend

That is a power jab. That jab alone can win you an entire round, why? The effect is power is damaging.

You have to always score power first and to score power you have to know both fighters. Some punches look like gangbusters, but aren't g****busters. You have to understand the effect on the fighter and that comes with experience and expertise.

The scoring criteria below is accurate throughout history and in accordance with the training from ABC.

1. Clean punching (power versus quantity)
2. Effective aggressiveness
3. Ring generalship
4. Defense

Clean punching and Effective Aggression are sometimes combined by certain pundits and erroneously interpreted as one and if that's the case, you have to put power before that. Power reigns supreme. But to be 110% accurate --->

Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC)
”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.”⁹ (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter III – Scoring Zone).

[Roadblock]

Where does cause and effect come into it,

The dynamics of boxing can never be scored in such a linear way.

[Cypocryphy]

Your question is flawed due to improper terminology. Anyhting but a jab is a classified as a power punch, but thats an erroneous way to classify any punch but a jab.

Additionally, not all jabs are created equal.

Aaron Davis vs Mark Brelend

That is a power jab. That jab alone can win you an entire round, why? The effect is power is damaging.

You have to always score power first and to score power you have to know both fighters. Some punches look like gangbusters, but aren't g****busters. You have to understand the effect on the fighter and that comes with experience and expertise.

The scoring criteria below is accurate throughout history and in accordance with the training from ABC.

1. Clean punching (power versus quantity)
2. Effective aggressiveness
3. Ring generalship
4. Defense

Clean punching and Effective Aggression are sometimes combined by certain pundits and erroneously interpreted as one and if that's the case, you have to put power before that. Power reigns supreme. But to be 110% accurate --->

Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC)
”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.”⁹ (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter III – Scoring Zone).

Sure. I'm aware of that. However, judges and how they score a fight don't see it the same way. When they score a fight, a power punch (straight or hook and its variations) will always be worth more than a jab. This is why Canelo won the second fight with Golovkin. This is why the Bivol fight was so close with Canelo. I agree with you, but there are people who do this for a living that view it differently.

[Silence]

Your question is flawed due to improper terminology. Anything but a jab is a classified as a power punch, but thats an erroneous way to classify any punch but a jab.

Additionally, not all jabs are created equal.

Aaron Davis vs Mark Brelend

That is a power jab. That jab alone can win you an entire round, why? The effect is power is damaging.

You have to always score power first and to score power you have to know both fighters. Some punches look like gangbusters, but aren't g****busters. You have to understand the effect on the fighter and that comes with experience and expertise.

The scoring criteria below is accurate throughout history and in accordance with the training from ABC.

2. Clean punching (power versus quantity)
3. Effective aggressiveness
4. Ring generalship
5. Defense

Clean punching and Effective Aggression are sometimes combined by certain pundits and erroneously interpreted as one and if that's the case, you have to put power before that. Power reigns supreme. But to be 110% accurate --->

Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC)
”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.”⁹ (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter III – Scoring Zone).

This is why Canelo vs Golovkin 1 is draw and 2 is W for Nelo. Defense and clean punching went to Nelo in the first fight. All 4 criterias went to Nelo in the second fight. But but GGG landed jabs.

[War Room]

Sure. I'm aware of that. However, judges and how they score a fight don't see it the same way. When they score a fight, a power punch (straight or hook and its variations) will always be worth more than a jab. This is why Canelo won the second fight with Golovkin. This is why the Bivol fight was so close with Canelo. I agree with you, but there are people who do this for a living that view it differently.

No, they do see it the same way ----> the criteria of scoring is clear. People say some judges see it different, because people are parakeets and like to repeat what other people say but at the end of the day it started out as a blanket-statement for corruption. You just can't prioritize defense over power and say that's how I do it. No, you're payed off and it goes against the rules of scoring. There is 1 way to score a fight and 1 way only.

Canelo lost to GGG 116-112 both times and the reason he won the second fight was due to corruption. Just like how he got a 114-114 against Floyd. The Bivol scores were fixed, /end. Everybody is saying it. Atlas, Tyson, Roy Jones, Malignaggi, Tarver, everybody and their mother are saying it's fixed. The only reason they didn't give Canelo the fight is because they would be suspended.

People that do it for a living score in accordance with the ABC, it's the method of scoring and how judges are taught. I know how it's done for a living and I'm showing you how it's done. Jesus Christ you people are dense.

This is why Canelo vs Golovkin 1 is draw and 2 is W for Nelo. Defense and clean punching went to Nelo in the first fight. All 4 criterias went to Nelo in the second fight. But but GGG landed jabs.

YDKSAB. Keep the caravan moving you tramp.

[Silence]

No, they do see it the same way ----> the criteria of scoring is clear. People say some judges see it different, because people are parakeets and like to repeat what other people say but at the end of the day it started out as a blanket-statement for corruption. You just can't prioritize defense over power and say that's how I do it. No, you're payed off and it goes against the rules of scoring. There is 1 way to score a fight and 1 way only.

Canelo lost to GGG 116-112 both times and the reason he won the second fight was due to corruption. Just like how he got a 114-114 against Floyd. The Bivol scores were fixed, /end. Everybody is saying it. Atlas, Tyson, Roy Jones, Malignaggi, Tarver, everybody and their mother are saying it's fixed. The only reason they didn't give Canelo the fight is because they would be suspended.

People that do it for a living score in accordance with the ABC, it's the method of scoring and how judges are taught. I know how it's done for a living and I'm showing you how it's done. Jesus Christ you people are dense.



YDKSAB. Keep the caravan moving you tramp.

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[1hourRun]

I take into consideration who the boxers are and the circumstances: if he/she is a pro with the jab, for example a Zach Parker or Billy Joe Saunders can probably snap your head back at the right moment, but they are relatively weak punchers.

Whereas if a heavy-handed boxer lands that same shot, like a Jermell Charlo a Artur Beterbiev; or boxers that have mastered the jab like Sergey Kovalev, that same shot is more meaningful to me.

And here is another twist than complicates the issue or criteria: What if a light-puncher managed to cause one of his opponent's eye to swell -- perhaps due to a headbutt, not even necessarily due to a clean-punch. Although the jab landing on a closed-eye is coming from a pillow-fist puncher, it is inflicted more damage due to the injury on the eye.

[Cypocryphy]

No, they do see it the same way ----> the criteria of scoring is clear. People say some judges see it different, because people are parakeets and like to repeat what other people say but at the end of the day it started out as a blanket-statement for corruption. You just can't prioritize defense over power and say that's how I do it. No, you're payed off and it goes against the rules of scoring. There is 1 way to score a fight and 1 way only.

Canelo lost to GGG 116-112 both times and the reason he won the second fight was due to corruption. Just like how he got a 114-114 against Floyd. The Bivol scores were fixed, /end. Everybody is saying it. Atlas, Tyson, Roy Jones, Malignaggi, Tarver, everybody and their mother are saying it's fixed. The only reason they didn't give Canelo the fight is because they would be suspended.

People that do it for a living score in accordance with the ABC, it's the method of scoring and how judges are taught. I know how it's done for a living and I'm showing you how it's done. Jesus Christ you people are dense.



YDKSAB. Keep the caravan moving you tramp.

NO WAR ROOM—THEY DO NOT! Stop. Just stop you jack ass. I don't know how old you are, but apparently you have had years to squeeze your head so far up your ass that there's no going back. This is how judges finagle a win for the fighter they want to win. Let me put it to you this way: Nothing matters more than clean, effective punching. Everything else is secondary. Why? If your defense is good, that means your opponent isn't landing clean, effective punches. If you are being effectively aggressive rather than just merely aggressive, you are landing clean, effective punches with your aggression. And if you are controlling the fight (aka ring generalship), you are doing so by landing clean, effective punches. Nothing else matters. Clean, effective punching trumps all. So when you come across a situation where one guy is clearly landing more than the other guy but somehow the other guy wins, they will come to this little grey area of jabs versus power punches. This is where they will justify giving the nod to one guy over the other, although, you are right that sometimes they will give a nod to defense. But doing that just makes defense worth more than punches because not only did the other guy not get to score, which by default means that if you've landed, then you've won that engagement. But you get BONUS points for not letting the guy hit you. It's totally redundant. If both guys are making each other miss, then the round is a draw. If one guy misses more than the other, then you can try to give the round to the guy with better defense, but aside from that scenario, you have to go toward clean, effective punches.

I'm well aware that the rules don't distinguish between power punches and jabs, but I'm also well aware that the judges do because they've said so (at least some).

[Boxing-1013]

No, they do see it the same way ----> the criteria of scoring is clear. People say some judges see it different, because people are parakeets and like to repeat what other people say but at the end of the day it started out as a blanket-statement for corruption. You just can't prioritize defense over power and say that's how I do it. No, you're payed off and it goes against the rules of scoring. There is 1 way to score a fight and 1 way only.

Canelo lost to GGG 116-112 both times and the reason he won the second fight was due to corruption. Just like how he got a 114-114 against Floyd. The Bivol scores were fixed, /end. Everybody is saying it. Atlas, Tyson, Roy Jones, Malignaggi, Tarver, everybody and their mother are saying it's fixed. The only reason they didn't give Canelo the fight is because they would be suspended.

People that do it for a living score in accordance with the ABC, it's the method of scoring and how judges are taught. I know how it's done for a living and I'm showing you how it's done. Jesus Christ you people are dense.



YDKSAB. Keep the caravan moving you tramp.

Completely agree on the score on the first 2 Canelo-GGG fights. GGG lands hard every time he lands really, and he outlanded Canelo nearly every round. There wasn't one round in those fights where I came away saying 'clear Canelo round'. He just got outworked, no shame in that, GGG is a great fighter.