The Boots Ennis hype is unreal

[Queen_Leia]

resume is important, it's better than the eye test.

but ... the eye test is NOT nothing.

Ennis looks better than Thurman when he was at a similar stage. Thurman looked special. Ennis looks better. A level above to these eyes. I'd say the same about Danny Garcia - Ennis just looks better especially when you consider Garcia has done little at 147. His best fights were at 140.

Spence looked great coming up pre-Brook fight. There was hype put on him too. I'd say Ennis looks as good but in a different way.

The point is - when an exciting fighter emerges we should get excited if we have a pulse - if we don't allow ourselves to get a bit excited and flow with the hype a little - what are we following boxing for ? To be cynical and say "he's not gonna amount to much" or "this guy is all hype, he'll fail on his first stiff test" ?

We can get excited, I like Ennis but the issue with boxing fans saying that he can beat everyone from prospects, to contenders, to the established guard to the elites without seeing him in with a top 10 fighter is the problem...basically he can beat everyone at 147.

The have Ennis beating Spence & Crawford, skipping Ortiz, Stannonios, Buteav, etc, let alone Garcia, Thurman, etc...honestly I don't think Ennis can beat Gary Antonnie Russell.

[Queen_Leia]

Personally I believe in skills more then "resume" resume is subjective but skills are not, if you really know boxing you can tell when someone is the goods and when they're not, and when theyre not but fans keep saying "resume", guess what, it means their resume probably isn't as good as they say,

You can look like the second coming of Jesus Christ if you are fighting cans...resume is important in boxing, it shows what you can do with the skills you have when you are in there with fighter that punch back.


Ennis is skilled, he passed the eyeball test but can those skill translate in the ring with a fighter who has a heartbeat.

Judging on what I've seen, I think Gary Antoinne Russell can still beat him.

[PeepeePoopooMan]

He's gonna be another dud. Just like Spencer was

[Queen_Leia]

At this point, I dont care too much about resumes. I trust the eyeball test more.

Same reason how I know that Crawford is special despite his resume.

Ennis is probably the real deal..

Based on your eyeball test, can Ennis beat the entire 147 divisions?

[KTFOKING]

Robinson is a tricky fighter though. The likes of Clayton, Lipinets aren’t. Kavaliauskas stops both those guys.

Ennis needs to fight somebody with ambition, who’ll come forward and ask him a few questions. I thought Kavaliauskas was a great learning fight for Ortiz for example.

Like I said, nothing Mean Machine has done even at WW shows that he is on another level than Dulorme.

Mean Machine made it took on Ortiz for a few rounds and then proceeded to get the crap beaten out of him. How many times did he drop? Was it 4 or 5?

Ennis can fight someone like that if it gets fans excited but I want to see him in against someone better. He needs to be in with a LEGITIMATE top WW, and nothing less.

Crowley is coming off convincing wins over Abdukakhorov and Lopez so that will be a solid fight but he doesn't have the power to hold Ennis off of him. I'll take it for now but Ennis needs the big fights soon. Hearn has been clear that Benn is still fights away from fighting the top guys but Ennis is ready now. Hope he ends up getting his shot soon.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Like I said, nothing Mean Machine has done even at WW shows that he is on another level than Dulorme.

Mean Machine made it took on Ortiz for a few rounds and then proceeded to get the crap beaten out of him. How many times did he drop? Was it 4 or 5?

Ennis can fight someone like that if it gets fans excited but I want to see him in against someone better. He needs to be in with a LEGITIMATE top WW, and nothing less.

Crowley is coming off convincing wins over Abdukakhorov and Lopez so that will be a solid fight but he doesn't have the power to hold Ennis off of him. I'll take it for now but Ennis needs the big fights soon. Hearn has been clear that Benn is still fights away from fighting the top guys but Ennis is ready now. Hope he ends up getting his shot soon.

What about the Crawford fight? Do you think Dulorme even beats Avanesyan never mind stops him? Kavaliauskas is a decent fighter man. He’d definitely be the best guy Boots has been in with thus far.

Crowley offers nothing really, that’s an easy stoppage win for Boots. As I said we need to see somebody who’ll try and put him on the back foot and get him out of his comfort zone. At the very least, guys like Kavaliauskas and Avanesyan would try to do that. Not saying Crowley’s a bad fighter FTR, but just looking at it stylistically, he has nothing for Boots IMO.

Benn’s a complete fraud IMO. Boots stops him within 3. I genuinely think that could be a first round stoppage for Boots if he came out aggressive looking to land big shots. They’re just gonna keep padding Benn’s record until they can cash him out.

[mike1010011]

I'm just waiting for people to start claiming that he would have beaten Floyd,hearns,srl,and pac at 147. It's only a matter of time based on the rate at which people are jumping on the hype train.

[KTFOKING]

What about the Crawford fight? Do you think Dulorme even beats Avanesyan never mind stops him? Kavaliauskas is a decent fighter man. He’d definitely be the best guy Boots has been in with thus far.

Crowley offers nothing really, that’s an easy stoppage win for Boots. As I said we need to see somebody who’ll try and put him on the back foot and get him out of his comfort zone. At the very least, guys like Kavaliauskas and Avanesyan would try to do that. Not saying Crowley’s a bad fighter FTR, but just looking at it stylistically, he has nothing for Boots IMO.

Benn’s a complete fraud IMO. Boots stops him within 3. I genuinely think that could be a first round stoppage for Boots if he came out aggressive looking to land big shots. They’re just gonna keep padding Benn’s record until they can cash him out.

I didn't say he wasn't decent, but just that he's not on another level over Dulorme. Why are we going to ignore the rest of his career? Why aren't we talking about how Ugas COMPLETELY dominated Robinson while Mean Machine struggled mightily? How about Mean Machine looking very mediocre against Zewski? While Dulorme was very competitive with Ugas before he had just fought Robinson? So it's not like all these fights took place at a drastically different point of all their careers. Do you not value at all that Dulorme barely lost by a point or two to Ugas? Do you not value Dulorme winning around 5 rounds against Stanionis? Sure Mean Machine had a good moment or two vs Crawford and Ortiz, but he he proceeded to get beat up badly in both fights. We just need to stop overrating him, that's all. If you think that would "definitely" be Ennis best opponent, then hope it happens next as we will see Mean Machine once again just getting the crap beaten out of him.

Crowley at least is coming off two solid wins. I mean Avanesyan would be okay but he's not testing Ennis much either. Only the top elite guys can offer anything to him.

[sicko]

It is Warranted though but the Boots Hype been going on for YEARS now it is nothing new it is just getting Louder which is making Bud and Spence Fanboy Very Insecure and Nervous and some of them are now resorting to Downplaying him like Fanboys do in boxing putting that excuses in Place Early as to why Spence and Crawford "Don't Have To Fight Him..."

Believe The Hype! Or Don't and try to jump on the bandwagon later or just be a miserable bitter Hater and Root Again him his entire career WHO CARES!

That being said, he is not unbeatable, in fact based on what I remember seeing vs Antuanne Russell in the Amateurs, Pressure and Rough House Tactics/Inside Fighting gave him major problems. Due to quality of opponents as a pro so far, haven't really been Relentlessly Pressured or Force to stand and fight on the Inside so I have no clue if he has improved on the inside but I THINK/HOPE he has. Let's find out before throwing him in with Spence or Crawford, I would like to see him vs Stanionis or Butaev next, both showed great chins in their last fights together and both will come forward and test him with relentless Pressure and both can punch. Great fights to make While Boots wait for Spence and Crawford to settle their situation Hopefully.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I didn't say he wasn't decent, but just that he's not on another level over Dulorme. Why are we going to ignore the rest of his career? Why aren't we talking about how Ugas COMPLETELY dominated Robinson while Mean Machine struggled mightily? How about Mean Machine looking very mediocre against Zewski? While Dulorme was very competitive with Ugas before he had just fought Robinson? So it's not like all these fights took place at a drastically different point of all their careers. Do you not value at all that Dulorme barely lost by a point or two to Ugas? Do you not value Dulorme winning around 5 rounds against Stanionis? Sure Mean Machine had a good moment or two vs Crawford and Ortiz, but he he proceeded to get beat up badly in both fights. We just need to stop overrating him, that's all. If you think that would "definitely" be Ennis best opponent, then hope it happens next as we will see Mean Machine once again just getting the crap beaten out of him.

Crowley at least is coming off two solid wins. I mean Avanesyan would be okay but he's not testing Ennis much either. Only the top elite guys can offer anything to him.

I think the point your missing is styles make fights though man. Kavaliauskas isn’t a technical boxer like Ugas so he struggled badly with Robinson. I don’t hold that against him, a lot of people struggle with Robinson, he’s very awkward. Garcia struggled with Herrera for example, Thurman struggled with Lopez etc.

If Kavaliauskas and Dulorme fought tomorrow would you seriously pick Dulorme? I’d be pretty confident Kavaliauskas not just beats him but stops him.

Crowley simply hasn’t got a style that will ask any questions of Ennis. Boots needs rounds and he needs guys who are gonna try and ask a few questions of him. At least with guys like Kavaliauskas, Avanesyan they’re gonna try and back him up and look to exchange. Clayton didn’t show any of that ambition the other night. It likely ends with Ennis stopping them too but at least they probably take him some rounds and give him some valuable experience. Ortiz would learnt more from the Kavaliauskas than Boots has learnt in his last three fights put together.