I can’t decide if Canelo was ever a truly great fighter now.

[deathofaclown]

You can pick apart many fighters resume if you have an agenda to do so.

he’s certainly been fortunate to pick up a win and draw v GGG though.

But losses today are too scrutinised. Hagler lost fights to fringe contenders on his way up, nobody really cares, it hasn’t affected much. Haglers biggest name of opponents were all guys that started 2 or more weight divisions below

Duran in the 80’s lost to fighters not even considered on his level, people can make excuses why but that’s his fault.

Canelo is an excellent fighter, he’s simply fought
some other excellent fighters too. Won some, lost some. That’s happened throughout boxing history among top fighters and nobody cared until 10-15 years ago

[Roadblock]

You can pick apart many fighters resume if you have an agenda to do so.

he’s certainly been fortunate to pick up a win and draw v GGG though.

But losses today are too scrutinised. Hagler lost fights to fringe contenders on his way up, nobody really cares, it hasn’t affected much. Haglers biggest name of opponents were all guys that started 2 or more weight divisions below

Duran in the 80’s lost to fighters not even considered on his level, people can make excuses why but that’s his fault.

Canelo is an excellent fighter, he’s simply fought
some other excellent fighters too. Won some, lost some. That’s happened throughout boxing history among top fighters and nobody cared until 10-15 years ago

If we had a time machine Duran Leonard Hearns Ali Hagler, doesn't really matter who as it applies to them all, they would all be hated on in this forum, its the nature of the beast which is the internet, give every fool a keyboard megaphone and sanity is drowned out.

[ReggieKray]

no where near great, its not even a discussion. look how he did against top fighters, mayweather played with him, probably his easiest ever fight. he fought an old slow GGG and lost both fights in most peoples eyes, then fought a bunch of trash after which made him look better than he is, fought an unbeaten champ, not even a p4p type level fighter and got absolutely schooled, made to look like a ****ing bum. he is what he is, a world level fighter who will look good against the right types of styles but nowhere near elite fighter, what other 'p4p number 1' have you seen who got made to look as bad as canelo did against bivol?

Crawford hasn't taken on the same risks and challenges as Canelo... Looking good against inferior compition is his business model. There is no comparison there.

Uysk did step up and earned his place in p4p, but Fury would ragdoll him. Yet, we all know Usyk is a legit warrior and would not back down from this challenge so he deserves credit. More balls than Crawford.

Loma...he actually answers your questions perfectly against his fight with Teofimo, but also proves my point that it's fighters like Canelo and Loma showing balls to take on challenges none of their peers are.

Estrada is another that kind of answers your question and what's awesome about him is that he's avenged his losses and earned his glory against the odds.

As for Inoue and Spence, they've both been in close wars and have edged victories.. So what if Canelo does the same. All three are taking fights that actually fkn challenge themselves. You're just fkn hating on Canelo.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Lara/GGG level fighter. I give him a credit for taking many risks in his career.

[Haka]

Yes a multi division champ for many years is something that stands above the rest of the fighters of his era.

[Dakuwaqa]

You can pick apart many fighters resume if you have an agenda to do so.

he’s certainly been fortunate to pick up a win and draw v GGG though.

But losses today are too scrutinised. Hagler lost fights to fringe contenders on his way up, nobody really cares, it hasn’t affected much. Haglers biggest name of opponents were all guys that started 2 or more weight divisions below

Duran in the 80’s lost to fighters not even considered on his level, people can make excuses why but that’s his fault.

Canelo is an excellent fighter, he’s simply fought
some other excellent fighters too. Won some, lost some. That’s happened throughout boxing history among top fighters and nobody cared until 10-15 years ago

Yup.

Every fighters resume can be viewed as overrated ‘if that’s what you want to think’.

I often say that many people on here aren’t fans of the sports but fans of individual fighters.

Canelo is the best champion in recent times. He fights champions 3 x a year and looks good doing it.

[hugh grant]

So he gotta lose another 6 times 4 to B graders and then get knocked out cold to be better than Manny, he got no hope to get all those losses and planked. Canelo can never catch up to Manny in lots of areas...

Not asking nel o has to win titles in 7 divisions or beat as many greats as pac did, winning rematches and triologies left, right and centre and at a age where most fighters are 8 years retired.
Being knocked out like Pac was is no big deal, because every boxer is under the understanding that they are one punch away from it. The fact that you weren't koed you can thank God and hopefully it never happens to nelo.
The fact you weren't ever koed is never a reason to be greater though. If nel o can unify 175 he is as great as pac

[Roadblock]

Not asking nel o has to win titles in 7 divisions or beat as many greats as pac did, winning rematches and triologies left, right and centre and at a age where most fighters are 8 years retired.
Being knocked out like Pac was is no big deal, because every boxer is under the understanding that they are one punch away from it. The fact that you weren't koed you can thank God and hopefully it never happens to nelo.
The fact you weren't ever koed is never a reason to be greater though. If nel o can unify 175 he is as great as pac

If Canelo can have the same CWs Manny had he probably would have changed history, don't for a minute think Manny's run was fair and square, it had more matchmaking advantages going on than any fighter in history, Canelo could have got a CW against Bivol but he chose not too because he said its not the same win, now let's play the devils advocate and they didn't fight at 175 but 169 and Canelo wins, what would you be saying now, a CW can make a lot of difference in these situations.

Lets play some more, what if Cotto wasn't a CW and Cotto wins, what if instead of a drained Oscar we have a 20lb bigger Oscar and he runs Manny over, what then, if you painted everybody with the same brush you would be a lot more consistent.

[Pac=Duran]

Just rewatching it the Bivol fight from an angle in the crowd where you can see every punch. Canelo lost all of the first 7 rounds. It was a total ass whooping and Bivol could have kod Canelo at any time. Damn I had no idea how bad the ass whopping was when I was watching it with commentary etc

[Pac=Duran]

I have Bivol winning the first 9 rounds wtf