Comments Thread For: Bivol Believes Canelo Won 'Maximum' 4 Rounds

[-Kev-]

Some fair points here. Honestly, I don’t believe he really thinks Canelo won 4; think he’s being very generous.

You’re right, some early rounds were close, maybe they could have been scored draw

Either way, 3 max for Canelo by my scoring. Bivol may have won as few as 7 rounds, sure, but no chance Canelo won 5.

If you say there is a chance Bivol may have won 7 rounds, then Canelo may have won 5 rounds.

Here is the thing about this fight, and this is my opinion of course, but I strongly believe this is how it is:

Rounds 1-4: Scored for Canelo if you are a Canelo fan or want Canelo to win, or are scoring close rounds to the guy coming up in weight. OR Scored for Bivol if you don’t want Canelo to win, can’t stand him, are a critic of his, want Bivol to win. Otherwise, these rounds were inconclusive, but as a Canelo fan, I understand 100% why a critic would award these rounds to Bivol. There is no explanation needed, no reasoning behind why you (generally speaking) would give these rounds to Bivol. I know why, and it’s okay. Do not try to explain jabs or anything. Those rounds were ******ly close and you can tell who is who depending on which fan gives those rounds to who. Fans and media who had it 9-3 or 10-2 for Bivol, pretty much gave every single close round they can give, to Bivol. And I get it. Bias is a thing in scoring in a sport as subjective as boxing.

Rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12. Scored for Bivol, even the close one’s, Bivol managed to land one more good punch or two on Canelo to win him the round.

Round 9: Scored for Canelo.

In a nutshell.

[TernceBudCharlo]

If you say there is a chance Bivol may have won 7 rounds, then Canelo may have won 5 rounds.

Here is the thing about this fight, and this is my opinion of course, but I strongly believe this is how it is:

Rounds 1-4: Scored for Canelo if you are a Canelo fan or want Canelo to win, or are scoring close rounds to the guy coming up in weight. OR Scored for Bivol if you don’t want Canelo to win, can’t stand him, are a critic of his, want Bivol to win. Otherwise, these rounds were inconclusive, but as a Canelo fan, I understand 100% why a critic would award these rounds to Bivol. There is no explanation needed, no reasoning behind why you (generally speaking) would give these rounds to Bivol. I know why, and it’s okay. Do not try to explain jabs or anything. Those rounds were ******ly close and you can tell who is who depending on which fan gives those rounds to who. Fans and media who had it 9-3 or 10-2 for Bivol, pretty much gave every single close round they can give, to Bivol. And I get it. Bias is a thing in scoring in a sport as subjective as boxing.

Rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12. Scored for Bivol, even the close one’s, Bivol managed to land one more good punch or two on Canelo to win him the round.

Round 9: Scored for Canelo.

In a nutshell.

5,6,7,8,10,11,12. Not a single one of those rounds was at all close or remotely difficult to score.

[MikeyMike100]

I had it 8-4

[-Kev-]

5,6,7,8,10,11,12. Not a single one of those rounds was at all close or remotely difficult to score.

Crawford ain’t sh/t.

[Hotsauce91]

i had it 9-3 rounds

[P to the J]

Compubox is total numbers. You have to score round by round. While compubox showed a huge margin in punches landed, those huge margins came in a few of the dominant rounds for Bivol. Compubox, punch stats, are good tools to use if used correctly and objectively.

A lot of fans, even after 20 years, still use Mayweather vs Castillo I compubox as some form of reaffirmation that Castillo was robbed. They don’t take into account that Castillo had several GREAT rounds which inflated his total compubox numbers. Having those several great rounds doesn’t automatically give him a win over Mayweather.

According to compubox, in that case, then Chad Dawson beat Jean Pascal in their 11 round TD. Even though Dawson was outhustled and outfought by Pascal and just had a strong finish that inflated his compubox stats past Pascal’s overall numbers. But round by round, he didn’t win.

Again, great tool to use, but it is misused by some.

I just combine what I see, on a round-by-round basis, with stats and the like. In fairness, compubox provides a round-by-round breakdown. Tbh, no idea how accurate it is or how the system actually works. What is it? 360 degree camera tech? Or some old blokes with notepads?

[P to the J]

If you say there is a chance Bivol may have won 7 rounds, then Canelo may have won 5 rounds.

Here is the thing about this fight, and this is my opinion of course, but I strongly believe this is how it is:

Rounds 1-4: Scored for Canelo if you are a Canelo fan or want Canelo to win, or are scoring close rounds to the guy coming up in weight. OR Scored for Bivol if you don’t want Canelo to win, can’t stand him, are a critic of his, want Bivol to win. Otherwise, these rounds were inconclusive, but as a Canelo fan, I understand 100% why a critic would award these rounds to Bivol. There is no explanation needed, no reasoning behind why you (generally speaking) would give these rounds to Bivol. I know why, and it’s okay. Do not try to explain jabs or anything. Those rounds were ******ly close and you can tell who is who depending on which fan gives those rounds to who. Fans and media who had it 9-3 or 10-2 for Bivol, pretty much gave every single close round they can give, to Bivol. And I get it. Bias is a thing in scoring in a sport as subjective as boxing.

Rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12. Scored for Bivol, even the close one’s, Bivol managed to land one more good punch or two on Canelo to win him the round.

Round 9: Scored for Canelo.

In a nutshell.

Scored round 9 for Canelo and 2 of the first 4 at a push. Nothing else. Some rounds close, but probably 9-3. Rate Canelo highly, rate Bivol higher (called the result right), but no horse in the race

[sicko]

Agree! 4 Rounds is being very Generous actually

coming from someone who PICKED and was rooting for Canelo

[KiloTeague]

That's exactly what I seen . I noticed another poster in here saying he'd give Canelo 1 round and that was round 9. I just rewatched round 9 and I believe it was Canelo's best round. And I seen Bivol didn't do as much as all the other rounds. But still , Canelo didn't do enough to actually WIN the round. At absolute worst it was a 10-10 round. Canelo didnt do a thing to show he actually WON that round. Was it an improvement over his other rounds? Yes but that doesn't mean he won it. People get fooled with that, and I understand. But if u go by how a fight should be scored , he got outscored that round too.

You know man, I can’t even blame people these days. The judging these days is so disgusting. That score was a disgrace. It was awful. And if this is what they are gonna teach these days, then that’s what people are gonna learn from. They are being told that 1 blocked elbow punch is worth more than a seven punch combination that all connect right down the pipe as the head speed bags?! I mean that’s what they are being taught, that’s what is winning rounds, and so that’s what it actually is and we are out of touch lol.

[KiloTeague]

I agree. I definitely think that Saul and his team understood the risk of facing a top three light heavyweight world champion. I just think they thought their chances would have been better. But it is what it is. That's boxing. They thought they had a chance but they didn't get the win. I still commend Canelo for taking the risk because it was a risk nonetheless. Regardless of whether or not he thought he could win it.

Man, on one hand your right, very commendable of Canelo to fight Bivol, but when all your fights are fixed, it basically eliminated his risk and unless he gets thoroughly dominated which he did. Not many people including myself thought Bivol would wash Canelo. I thought Bivol would win like 8-4 and get robbed. That’s the only reason I didn’t bet because these Canelo fights are always fixed. Think back GGG #1. Floyd dominated him backed him into a corner and just pounded on his face and Canelo cowered and gave up and he lost between 9 and 12 rounds that fight and a judge gave him a draw?????? I’m sick of this man. It’s so bad for boxing. This sport will get so many fans again if you just let the best man win.