Comments Thread For: Bivol Believes Canelo Won 'Maximum' 4 Rounds

[Superbee]

Bivol is such a cool guy... Will even give up rounds so that Ginger doesn't look like he's been completely dominated, which he was...

[Marchegiano]

I only gave Canelo 9.

the 9th, not 9 rounds

[Bonham77]

Yeah, I get that, but I gave him the rounds where Bivol didn't outland him by much, but Canelo landed some heavy shots to the face. As for ring generalship. Bivol's was far superior, but in said rounds that I gave the other way, he found himself on the ropes when Canelo still had the energy to cut the ring off (somewhat).

Yeah, I've taken into account arm shots and the like. Obviously.

You just don't give rounds to someone because they might of had a better round than their previous round. Rounds have to be earned. Giving a round to a challenger because it was " close " is wrong in the first place . A champion shouldn't lose a round that could go either way. It should go to the guy who holds the titles or the round should be scored 10-10. If your still stuck on what to do with the round , a judge is supposed to look at " ring generalship " , " effective aggressiveness. And Bivol controlled the ring like ***** controls the Russian people. Every single round. The fight was 12-0 if judged properly. Absolutely no question. Not one single round Canelo won if judged the way a fight is supposed to be judged.

[P to the J]

You just don't give rounds to someone because they might of had a better round than their previous round. Rounds have to be earned. Giving a round to a challenger because it was " close " is wrong in the first place . A champion shouldn't lose a round that could go either way. It should go to the guy who holds the titles or the round should be scored 10-10. If your still stuck on what to do with the round , a judge is supposed to look at " ring generalship " , " effective aggressiveness. And Bivol controlled the ring like ***** controls the Russian people. Every single round. The fight was 12-0 if judged properly. Absolutely no question. Not one single round Canelo won if judged the way a fight is supposed to be judged.

You what? Where the hell did I say I gave rounds where someone had a 'better round than their previous round'?

And also, if a round's close you give the benefit of the doubt to the champion? Mate, you're not in Las Vegas now.. I give the round to do whoever does the more effective work, not the champion, bigger name, or whatever. If its too close to call, its a draw, simple

[Bonham77]

You what? Where the hell did I say I gave rounds where someone had a 'better round than their previous round'?

And also, if a round's close you give the benefit of the doubt to the champion? Mate, you're not in Las Vegas now.. I give the round to do whoever does the more effective work, not the champion, bigger name, or whatever. If its too close to call, its a draw, simple

Yes , if its too close to call , you give it to the titleholder , or give it a 10-10 . Then ring generalship. Effective aggression. And Canelo did nothing. He didn't have effective aggression, he didn't do the " more effective work ", he didn't out hit Bivol in any round , so why would you give the Challenger a round? Why ? You did out of pity. That's it. And that's not how the rules of boxing go. Theres no such thing as a " pity " round because a challenger can't figure out a way to win a round. Don't talk so silly.

[P to the J]

Yes , if its too close to call , you give it to the titleholder , or give it a 10-10 . Then ring generalship. Effective aggression. And Canelo did nothing. He didn't have effective aggression, he didn't do the " more effective work ", he didn't out hit Bivol in any round , so why would you give the Challenger a round? Why ? You did out of pity. That's it. And that's not how the rules of boxing go. Theres no such thing as a " pity " round because a challenger can't figure out a way to win a round. Don't talk so silly.

No, no, I just thought I'd do something a bit unorthodox and give him the rounds he won. I know this is hard to believe, but not as hard to believe as the fact that a guy with an obvious agenda's alleging subjectivity in someone else. Especially when you think the titleholder should get given close rounds.

I mean, if you want to point to a place within Queensberry rules wherein this is actually codified, be my guest, but otherwise it seems pointless discussing this further.

[Bonham77]

No, no, I just thought I'd do something a bit unorthodox and give him the rounds he won. I know this is hard to believe, but not as hard to believe as the fact that a guy with an obvious agenda's alleging subjectivity in someone else. Especially when you think the titleholder should get given close rounds.

I mean, if you want to point to a place within Queensberry rules wherein this is actually codified, be my guest, but otherwise it seems pointless discussing this further.

Your clueless. Canelo never won a round. Bivol outdid Canelo in each and every round. Out connected in every round. And where in Queensbury do punches to the gloves , arms, elbows , forearms , shoulders , hips , and air , count ? Canelo looked like a lost novice amateur in there. Not only that, but every round was controlled by Bivol. He dictated the pace, the distance and the flow of the fight. Canelo wasnt effective at ring centre, on the ropes, nowhere. The only reason anyone gave him a round was because of who he was, and thats Canelo Alvarez . He got out-performed in every way possible, in every round. Not even close. And yes, whether you like it or not, close rounds, are 10-10. Or to the title holder in the title fight. That's the way it goes. You just don't give a round to the challenger to keep things close in the scorecards. You give a round to the challenger if he actually WINS a round . Canelo , under the rules , never won a round. Out punched and controlled in EVERY round. As one sided a fight , and easiest fight anyone could score. Canelo looked horrible. A spitting image of a wild swinging , never connecting , glorified clubfighter that you'd typically see at a local Legion in a Saturday night in a small town. Horrific performance.

[buddyr]

giving him 3 is the max and even generous. NO way in hell he won 4. Not even possible

[KiloTeague]

You what? Where the hell did I say I gave rounds where someone had a 'better round than their previous round'?

And also, if a round's close you give the benefit of the doubt to the champion? Mate, you're not in Las Vegas now.. I give the round to do whoever does the more effective work, not the champion, bigger name, or whatever. If its too close to call, its a draw, simple

I saw zero rounds where Canelo did the more effective work. Canelo was lumbering around throwing one blocked punch at a time and Bivol was landing flush combinations down the pipe flush to his face and Canelo’s head was bouncing like a speed bag every single round. Canelo may have got a punch to slip in after grazing Bivols arms and shoulders first but Bivol was landing clean combinations down the pipe every round. Canelo never landed a single combination and barely landed anything period. I honestly couldn’t give a single round to Canelo. Every round Canelos face got beat and Bivols face never got touched. Every round! Nope Canelo didn’t win one round.

[Bonham77]

I saw zero rounds where Canelo did the more effective work. Canelo was lumbering around throwing one blocked punch at a time and Bivol was landing flush combinations down the pipe flush to his face and Canelo’s head was bouncing like a speed bag every single round. Canelo may have got a punch to slip in after grazing Bivols arms and shoulders first but Bivol was landing clean combinations down the pipe every round. Canelo never landed a single combination and barely landed anything period. I honestly couldn’t give a single round to Canelo. Every round Canelos face got beat and Bivols face never got touched. Every round! Nope Canelo didn’t win one round.

That's exactly what I seen . I noticed another poster in here saying he'd give Canelo 1 round and that was round 9. I just rewatched round 9 and I believe it was Canelo's best round. And I seen Bivol didn't do as much as all the other rounds. But still , Canelo didn't do enough to actually WIN the round. At absolute worst it was a 10-10 round. Canelo didnt do a thing to show he actually WON that round. Was it an improvement over his other rounds? Yes but that doesn't mean he won it. People get fooled with that, and I understand. But if u go by how a fight should be scored , he got outscored that round too.