Canelo would be foolish to rematch Bivol

[Ultralight]

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Canelo has progressively got worse technically over the last few years. And he wasn't all hat to begin with.

He stopped using his jab. He threw more jabs against Jacobs than he did against Saunders and Plant combined.

[-Kev-]

Canelo did not win 5 rounds. Stop it. He got absolutely outclassed and dominated.

Whether you agree or not, that is your issue. All 3 judges had it 7-5. I am telling you why it was scored that way. And it always will be. If in the rematch Bivol outlands Canelo again in more rounds, with power punching, he will win again. If Canelo manages to land more power punches in more rounds, then he will win.

That is just boxing.

Jabbing is an excellent tool. But power punching wins rounds.

Bivol just showed exactly what Canelo opponents in close fights lacked: power punching more than Canelo in more rounds. It is that simple.

A lot of fans don’t like it, but that is how you win fights.

In Canelo’s last 18 fights, only two fighters landed more power punches than him (in fights that went the distance), in more rounds than him. And both of those fighters got the decision over Canelo.

It is not rocket science. I’d say if anything, Bivol getting the nod shows consistency in judging. It shows that power punches = winning rounds.

[The Big Dunn]

Not really any trainer. They need the right fighter with the right physical attributes.

You can’t tell Charlo, Benavidez, or GGG to go in there and fight Canelo like the #2 Light Heavyweight just did.

If Devin Haney for example, goes up to 154 right now, and gets dominated by Mel Charlo…no, Charlo did not show a strategy or blueprint to beat Haney. He just showed his skills and size were too much and the way he might win won’t necessarily work for other 135-147lb fighters.

To a lesser extent, look at Mayweather vs Paul, a cruiserweight. Paul had success vs Mayweather. But if you are a 147-154lb fighter thinking Paul just showed how to be successful, and you plan to attack Maywather that way…sorry but you are missing the (at least) 35lbs, 5 inch height, and 4 inch reach advantage that Paul had. In other words, sh/t’s not gonna work on Mayweather from lower weight fighters.

Now if you want to say, Beterbiev or Joe Smith just need to copy Bivol…I agree.

I don’t think Mayweather/Paul should ever be used to analyze the sport in anyway.

Many will argue GGG did this 2x and got robbed.

I think you can take an elite fighter and map out a game plan where you utilize the jab more when Canelo swings with force, especially someone like Charlo.

If this we’re a one time thing maybe you’d have a point. Both a smaller and bigger man have utilized a similar but not exact same style to win 21 or 22 out of 24 rounds against Canelo.

[Roadblock]

I disagree on the last part. Only Bivol can fight like Bivol. Beterbiev and Joe Smith rely on their power. You can't tell them to now box all 12 rounds. I actually thinkg Canelo would have more success against Beterbiev or Joe Smith JR..... as he is certainly the more skilled boxer versus those two, but the question is, would they have the opportunity to tee off on Canelo?

Beterbiev and Joe Smith JR would be able to win in a KO.... but they would NOT be able to outbox Canelo for all 12 like Bivol did.... and again, we saw the scorecards, a 117-111 turned into an identical 115-113 on all three.

Looking at the fight tonight, those guys would probably stop Canelo in a shootout just being too big they can absorb Canelos power but Canelos is not going to absorb their power.

Canelo is not a big MW 168 his limit, 175 is proven to be a step too far.

[The Big Dunn]

Whether you agree or not, that is your issue. All 3 judges had it 7-5. I am telling you why it was scored that way. And it always will be. If in the rematch Bivol outlands Canelo again in more rounds, with power punching, he will win again. If Canelo manages to land more power punches in more rounds, then he will win.

That is just boxing.

Jabbing is an excellent tool. But power punching wins rounds.

Bivol just showed exactly what Canelo opponents in close fights lacked: power punching more than Canelo in more rounds. It is that simple.

A lot of fans don’t like it, but that is how you win fights.

In Canelo’s last 18 fights, only two fighters landed more power punches than him (in fights that went the distance), in more rounds than him. And both of those fighters got the decision over Canelo.

It is not rocket science. I’d say if anything, Bivol getting the nod shows consistency in judging. It shows that power punches = winning rounds.

Kev, where in the rules of scoring a fight does it say power punches count more toward winning a round?

[YoungManRumble]

Feels like a rematch also delays the undisputed LHW title fight with the winner of Beterbiev Smith which would be very annoying.

[jaded]

In spite of Canelo saying he will rematch Bivol...he won't. It was a big mistake in asking for this fight, and it would be even ******er to go back for more. His brand is now tarnished, and he needs to polish it up again, and getting humiliated again won't help that cause. This was a bigger lose than the Mayweather lose, and he was supposed to win biggly. The cash cow's milk is a bit sour tonight...no point in turning it rancid.

[-Kev-]

Unbelievable how delusional everyone is. Trying to do damage control for all their years of **** talking about how Canelo has this killer resume, is fearless, isnt ducking anyone. Canelo got WORKED. That fight was not close at all. Look at his face. Look at the punch stats. Look at the rouds. Bivol was touching his face up, Canelo was looking at his corner completely clueless. Awful stamina. After round 6 he knew he was done. You have to be a complete crakchead to think this was a close fight.

THIS is why he kept ducking Andrade and the Charlos at 154. THIS is why he went up to 168 to avoid Andrade and Charlo. Anyone with respectable defense will expose this guy.

How does losing to the #2 fighter at 175, in his prime, erase Canelo’s resume?

Fans like you are the reason boxing sucks. The best can’t fight the best without some moronic boxing fans completely writing off the loser of a fight.

When you fight the best for a decade, of course you will lose some. Canelo has taken far, far, way far more risks than the guy on your avatar. If Crawford was fighting elite competition for 10 years, he will lose a few times as well.

Instead of sh/tting on Canelo’s resume because he lost while taking on a big challenge, why not praise him? You think Terence Crawford would go up to fight Jermall Charlo at 160? No.

But I guess it is easier to ridicule a fighter who takes the tougher fights and loses, rather than ridiculing a fighter like Terence Crawford, who seldom looks “bad” because he doesn’t fight high caliber fighters in their prime like Canelo does.

And stop it with the Andrade and Charlo crap. None of them are Bivol. You are comparing Middleweights who are smaller than Canelo, to Dmitry fcking Bivol, the #2 fighter at 175.

[-Kev-]

Kev, where in the rules of scoring a fight does it say power punches count more toward winning a round?

The rule of common sense regarding how judges historically like to see?

None of you have to like that judges look for that. But that is how it is. Land more power punches in more rounds.

[james240]

In spite of Canelo saying he will rematch Bivol...he won't. It was a big mistake in asking for this fight, and it would be even ******er to go back for more. His brand is now tarnished, and he needs to polish it up again, and getting humiliated again won't help that cause. This was a bigger lose than the Mayweather lose, and he was supposed to win biggly. The cash cow's milk is a bit sour tonight...no point in turning it rancid.

Tarnished?? loool