Who is greater MW, Golovkin or Hopkins?

[Boxing-1013]

H2H - who knows. I think Bhop didn't have enough to keep GGG off of him, and eventually GGG would force Bhop to fight which would bode well for GGG. Hard to predict any hypothetical matchups from different eras though.

Resume at MW - GGG. Resume overall - Bhop.

Title defenses - Bhop's is more legit but the quality of his opponents makes GGG's resume look like Ali's

[famicommander]

Better resume at MW? That's crazy lol. Hopkins has a more legit defense record but the quality of his defenses was laughable.

Segundo Mercado, John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Felix Trinidad, Carl Daniels, William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya? Sure, some of those guys were washed and some were a few years before prime but that ain't a bad list of scalps at 160.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

People give Golovkin **** for not rematching Jacobs or Derev (but say nothing of Danny rematching Derev, Rosado or Sulecki or Derev rematching Culcay), I can only imagine how they'd react to rematching guys he clearly beat or stopped, like Hopkins did with Allen and Echols. His defenses should come with an asterisk with all those rematches, just like people do with G's WBA situation.

Hopkins really milked those rematches with really no reason to at all.

I will say that Hopkins is probably better on paper but I do believe GGG beats him and GGG was always more fun to watch. B-Hop was Sleep-Hop most of the time.

[Boxing-1013]

Segundo Mercado, John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Felix Trinidad, Carl Daniels, William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya? Sure, some of those guys were washed and some were a few years before prime but that ain't a bad list of scalps at 160.

Glen Johnson win at the time was very quality. Took his 0. JDJ a solid fighter but I think you could go through GGG's resume and make his out to be more than what Bhop's was, at MW anyway, quite clearly.

I couldn't name one guy Mercado fought besides Bhop. Brown was 6 wins 8 losses bookending that Bhop fight, and lost his next five fights after that. Similar story for Daniels. We know about ODLH and Tito but not at that time or that weight.

If we are giving props to Bhop for those fights/wins, then GGG's over Proksa, Ouma, Rosado etc would be in there for him, and those are his 10th + best wins.

[famicommander]

Glen Johnson win at the time was very quality. Took his 0. JDJ a solid fighter but I think you could go through GGG's resume and make his out to be more than what Bhop's was, at MW anyway, quite clearly.

I couldn't name one guy Mercado fought besides Bhop. Brown was 6 wins 8 losses bookending that Bhop fight, and lost his next five fights after that. Similar story for Daniels. We know about ODLH and Tito but not at that time or that weight.

If we are giving props to Bhop for those fights/wins, then GGG's over Proksa, Ouma, Rosado etc would be in there for him, and those are his 10th + best wins.

Ouma is a good comparison but not Rosado or Prozksa. Every fighter I listed for B-Hop won a world title at some point in their career. GGG's only champions are Murata, Jacobs, Brook, Lemieux, Geale, and Ouma.

If you go by TBRB or Ring magazine top 10 fighters, GGG is 14-1-1 at 160. I'm too lazy to check the rankings for every single fighter B-Hop faced, though.

[Boxing-1013]

Ouma is a good comparison but not Rosado or Prozksa. Every fighter I listed for B-Hop won a world title at some point in their career. GGG's only champions are Murata, Jacobs, Brook, Lemieux, Geale, and Ouma.

If you go by TBRB or Ring magazine top 10 fighters, GGG is 14-1-1 at 160. I'm too lazy to check the rankings for every single fighter B-Hop faced, though.

I don't rate guys by whether they were former champs or not. I rate them based on what level they were at the time of the fight. I don't see any other way to do it to be honest. I think I outlined why that is important in my prior post.

[famicommander]

I don't rate guys by whether they were former champs or not. I rate them based on what level they were at the time of the fight. I don't see any other way to do it to be honest. I think I outlined why that is important in my prior post.

My point was that if you're comparing unranked fighters to unranked fighters, I'd give the edge to the guy who won a belt. Obviously a ranked contender is a better option than a washed former champ but both guys have a lot of defenses against guys who were both unranked AND never won crap.

Basically, it's better to fight someone who used to be good than someone who always ****** and always will.

Obviously the better option would be to fight ranked, reigning title holders but that's easier said than done.

[Boxing-1013]

My point was that if you're comparing unranked fighters to unranked fighters, I'd give the edge to the guy who won a belt. Obviously a ranked contender is a better option than a washed former champ but both guys have a lot of defenses against guys who were both unranked AND never won crap.

Basically, it's better to fight someone who used to be good than someone who always ****** and always will.

Obviously the better option would be to fight ranked, reigning title holders but that's easier said than done.

Sorry, but someone having won a belt before (when they are 4 or 5 belts sometimes at a weight class), has no real bearing on if they are actually good (Charles Martin) and it certainly has no bearing on their level at the time of any certain fight.

Whether a guy is a ranked contender or not isn't really my litmus test either. For me it is about my honest opinion of their level at the time of the fight. I think GGG has a lot of ranked top 10 guys on his resume but for me I see a lot of guys for him that were in good form at the time of the fight, and GGG dominated basically every one of them.

I'm more impressed with Bhop's wins over a guy like Echols, than some of those other names you mentioned. He was clearly a good fighter and in good form at the time of those fights, and Bhop won both decisively.

For Bhop, I don't think his resume at MW is at all comparable quality wise, fight for fight. Overall Bhop faced better fighters for me though.

[BodyBagz]

GGGroupies casting their votes

[Boxing-1013]

GGGroupies casting their votes

If someone doesn't have GGG as a top 10 MW all-time, at least, they are just an absolute idiot lol.