Comments Thread For: Canelo On Facing Bivol: He's a Good Fighter, A Champion; He Has Something To Offer

[A_State501]

The color of their is irrelevant to me. I personally believe Bivol beats Charlo and Andrade and dont give a f u c k what color their skin is he in my opinion is just a better fighter. I think he beats GGG as well and its damn sure not because he is from Kazakhstan it's because he is old and inactive. Get over yourself and stay off my posts with that racial ignorance

I love when people get called out they try to play victim. This board ****s on every prominent black fighter and anything Al Haymon. You can act like a victim but it's true. What have you seen in Bivol that makes him a definite win against Charlo? He's basic as hell. He has no special effects to him if you want to say he hits hard because of his division fine but Charlo's win over Derv is better than Bivol's win over Smith Jr

[Johnny2x2x]

I'd put Charlo in there, along with Andrade. Just because you don't like how they fight, doesn't mean they don't pose a threat to Alvarez. And I know they haven't looked all that great in some of their fights, but it happens to almost every fighter. Canelo didn't look great against Lara.

Charlo and Andrade might be his 5th and 6th hardest fights to make. Lara was 8 years ago at 155, no longer relevant.

[M111]

You can't say he cleaned out 168 when he never fought Benavidez. Belts does not = cleaning out a division.

completely disagree. People look back on Leonard’s career now they talk about the Hagler fight, the Hearns fights, the Duran fights. All for titles. Him not fighting Pryor barely gets a mention. History remembers the people you did fight and more importantly the titles you won in doing so, not the people you don’t. I completely agree that Benavidez is by far the toughest fight for Canelo at 168, but you’re missing the point. If he didn’t need to fight him to get all the belts at 168 why bother? Benavidez lost his title himself, no one else to blame. Canelo will fight him after he’s unified 175 as the Beterbiev and Benavidez fights will take the most out of him. And it terms of cleaning the belts out of 168, he’s done that already. As he says, what does Benavidez offer him at this point without a belt? He’s already got millions in the bank.

[M111]

I for one completely agree with Canelo’s take that the pbc fighters should actually fight each other to decide on a mandatory at 168. Fed up of Plant and Charlo doing an Amir Khan and sitting there fighting nobodies. Fight Benavidez.

[Oracle01]

completely disagree. People look back on Leonard’s career now they talk about the Hagler fight, the Hearns fights, the Duran fights. All for titles. Him not fighting Pryor barely gets a mention. History remembers the people you did fight and more importantly the titles you won in doing so, not the people you don’t. I completely agree that Benavidez is by far the toughest fight for Canelo at 168, but you’re missing the point. If he didn’t need to fight him to get all the belts at 168 why bother? Benavidez lost his title himself, no one else to blame. Canelo will fight him after he’s unified 175 as the Beterbiev and Benavidez fights will take the most out of him. And it terms of cleaning the belts out of 168, he’s done that already. As he says, what does Benavidez offer him at this point without a belt? He’s already got millions in the bank.

You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.

Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.

[M111]

You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.

Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.

he cleaned out all the belts. he didn’t clean out all the best fighters or fighter as realistically he beat everyone bar Benavidez and you can’t count Charlo until he actually fights someone at 168.

[M111]

You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.

Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.

which other ‘elite’ has he failed to fight at 168 then genius?

[M111]

he beat everyone he could at 168 in order the get all the belts. If you want to grumble, grumble at the wbc for not making Benavidez mandatory for his own belt after he’d been stripped and then allowing Canelo to fight Yildrim for the title. That was a joke. Not Canelo’s fault though.

[Oracle01]

he beat everyone he could at 168 in order the get all the belts. If you want to grumble, grumble at the wbc for not making Benavidez mandatory for his own belt after he’d been stripped and then allowing Canelo to fight Yildrim for the title. That was a joke. Not Canelo’s fault though.

Lets be clear here because you are all over the place. Do you agree he has not cleaned out 168 by not fighting his toughest opponent in the division?

[M111]

Lets be clear here because you are all over the place. Do you agree he has not cleaned out 168 by not fighting his toughest opponent in the division?

see previous reply - he cleaned out all the belts. he didn’t clean out all the best fighters or fighter as realistically he beat everyone bar Benavidez and you can’t count Charlo until he actually fights someone at 168.

personally i think history will judge cleaned out according to belts. right now i agree he hasn’t beaten everyone he could beat at 168 or even necessarily the best fighter. however in terms of belts then yes clearly he has cleaned out 168. Not sure how I can be any more clear on that.