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Originally posted by runtdawg View Post
I'd put Charlo in there, along with Andrade. Just because you don't like how they fight, doesn't mean they don't pose a threat to Alvarez. And I know they haven't looked all that great in some of their fights, but it happens to almost every fighter. Canelo didn't look great against Lara.
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Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post
You can't say he cleaned out 168 when he never fought Benavidez. Belts does not = cleaning out a division.
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Originally posted by M111 View Post
completely disagree. People look back on Leonard’s career now they talk about the Hagler fight, the Hearns fights, the Duran fights. All for titles. Him not fighting Pryor barely gets a mention. History remembers the people you did fight and more importantly the titles you won in doing so, not the people you don’t. I completely agree that Benavidez is by far the toughest fight for Canelo at 168, but you’re missing the point. If he didn’t need to fight him to get all the belts at 168 why bother? Benavidez lost his title himself, no one else to blame. Canelo will fight him after he’s unified 175 as the Beterbiev and Benavidez fights will take the most out of him. And it terms of cleaning the belts out of 168, he’s done that already. As he says, what does Benavidez offer him at this point without a belt? He’s already got millions in the bank.
You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.
Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.
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Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post
You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.
Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.
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Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post
You start by saying you disagree then proceed to admit he didn't clean out the division but conclude 'so what'. The contention is here whether Canelo cleaned out the division, not whether he needed to. That is a totally different argument.
Leonard not only fought for titles he fought great fighters for them not paper champs like Canelo did. History remembers your opponents not titles, and Canelo might be winning titles but hes not fighting the elites in any of the divisions since 160.
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he beat everyone he could at 168 in order the get all the belts. If you want to grumble, grumble at the wbc for not making Benavidez mandatory for his own belt after he’d been stripped and then allowing Canelo to fight Yildrim for the title. That was a joke. Not Canelo’s fault though.
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Originally posted by M111 View Posthe beat everyone he could at 168 in order the get all the belts. If you want to grumble, grumble at the wbc for not making Benavidez mandatory for his own belt after he’d been stripped and then allowing Canelo to fight Yildrim for the title. That was a joke. Not Canelo’s fault though.
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Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post
Lets be clear here because you are all over the place. Do you agree he has not cleaned out 168 by not fighting his toughest opponent in the division?
personally i think history will judge cleaned out according to belts. right now i agree he hasn’t beaten everyone he could beat at 168 or even necessarily the best fighter. however in terms of belts then yes clearly he has cleaned out 168. Not sure how I can be any more clear on that.
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