You literally said the same thing I did using other words. Yes I've watched the Whyte fight and AJ had a kill or be killed mentality. Add the experience gained since then with that same killer mentality and he likely beats Joyce on top of that prediction I believe that same style applies in the Usyk rematch and it's a winnable fight for AJ
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Ali Bashir who is without a doubt the most knowledgeable current trainer out there who’s seen it all worked with A.J for a week . He claims A.J has untapped potential that will see him go down as the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind Muhammad Ali if he fights the way he can . Should A.J enlist Bashir full time I think it’s going to be a wrap on the division and I see him cleaning it out for sure . Bashir thinks A.J can get Usyk out of their within 4 rounds if he wanted ,that’s huge because he was very critical of A.J after the loss but when he was able to train with him he changed his mind on a lot of things .
Is Joshua's power that much greater than Dubois? Joyce came through Dubois power.
I think Joshua's power has gone backwards, especially when he became 'The Obsession'.
I.E These past few years since the Ruiz Junior loss, Joshua became obsessed with his boxing skills and dropping weight.
I think these obsessions, took away from his innate strengths. And as a result his offense at mid-range, and punching power has gone backwards.
Joshua still hits hard, with more power than most. He is ranked above Tyson Fury in punching power 1000%, but I am not so sure he would blast Joyce out.
Note: Joshua is in his best form, when he lives and trains like a Heavyweight. In my opinion, Heavyweights should not be so intricate. They should train, and eat and whatever weight the are? That is what weight they will be. That was always the attitude of David Haye. I believe this type of attitude on some level, creates a comfort and expansive environment.
I have found the media's and Joshua's attitude completely bizarre, he has always been one of the best conditioned and dedicated heavyweights in the game. Notice the way the media always **** on about his weight, or body condition 'As if there was something wrong with his attitude before'.
While fighters like Fury, who in comparison has issues 'Nothing gets said'. Tyson Fury does not care anyway, he is heavyweight and he has a heavyweight attitude.
That is what Joshua needs to bring back.
The Joyce fight I see it as a very open target for A.J , speed gets to A.J not power . I think Joyce be in a lot of trouble there and get hammered and get stopped at some point .Comment
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Joshua has all the ability in the world, to stop Usyk inside 6 rounds.
Ali Bashir who is without a doubt the most knowledgeable current trainer out there who’s seen it all worked with A.J for a week . He claims A.J has untapped potential that will see him go down as the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind Muhammad Ali if he fights the way he can . Should A.J enlist Bashir full time I think it’s going to be a wrap on the division and I see him cleaning it out for sure . Bashir thinks A.J can get Usyk out of their within 4 rounds if he wanted ,that’s huge because he was very critical of A.J after the loss but when he was able to train with him he changed his mind on a lot of things .
The Joyce fight I see it as a very open target for A.J , speed gets to A.J not power . I think Joyce be in a lot of trouble there and get hammered and get stopped at some point .
Joshua's mid-range offense is super elite. His inside fighting capability is lacking and boxing from a distance? Is good, but not on the level of Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Kiltschko. Joshua for me, as a super heavyweight is poor at fighting a big man fight i.e Does not know how to tie a fighter up, does not have rough house inside fighting skills.
But in today's heavyweight era, I don't think there are many heavyweights who could deal with Joshua's mid-range offense at full force.
Joshua has neglected his mid-range offense since Ruiz Junior 1 fight.
I don't think Usyk has great inside fighting capabilities, so if Joshua could from a distance hold his own with Usyk 'But dominate at mid range, Usyk really does not have anywhere to go'.
That is all Joshua did vs Kiltschko, held his own from a distance 'But dominated from mid-range'. Kiltschko was actually superior to Joshua at long range, but Joshua mid-range offense negated what he had lost at a distance.
If Joshua is to beat Usyk, that is how he will win 'Those are the situations and tactics that will play out'.
The issue with Joyce is, his endurance. For as long as it last, I think Joshua will be winning rounds. There is a possibility that Joyce could out jab Joshua, which could cause issues at the rounds go by etc.
Interesting fight.
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I don’t really see Usyk as a big threat if A.J fights his fight as great a fighter he is I still see a Joyce more dangerous even though he’s very hittable Joyce can make A.J work harder later in the fight but either way I would have the same results in A.J winning . I’m still going say Hrgovic will be the most dangerous guy for A.J ,I believe Whyte is going to make Fury look very bad in their fight win or lose and that’s going to be having a lot of people questioning Furys abilities since Whyte isn’t that good according to most .
Joshua has all the ability in the world, to stop Usyk inside 6 rounds.
Joshua's mid-range offense is super elite. His inside fighting capability is lacking and boxing from a distance? Is good, but not on the level of Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Kiltschko. Joshua for me, as a super heavyweight is poor at fighting a big man fight i.e Does not know how to tie a fighter up, does not have rough house inside fighting skills.
But in today's heavyweight era, I don't think there are many heavyweights who could deal with Joshua's mid-range offense at full force.
Joshua has neglected his mid-range offense since Ruiz Junior 1 fight.
I don't think Usyk has great inside fighting capabilities, so if Joshua could from a distance hold his own with Usyk 'But dominate at mid range, Usyk really does not have anywhere to go'.
That is all Joshua did vs Kiltschko, held his own from a distance 'But dominated from mid-range'. Kiltschko was actually superior to Joshua at long range, but Joshua mid-range offense negated what he has lost at a distance.
If Joshua is to beat Usyk, that is how he will win 'Those are the situations and tactics that will play out'.
The issue with Joyce is, his endurance. For as long as it last, I think Joshua will be winning rounds. There is a possibility that Joyce could out jab Joshua, which could cause issues at the rounds go by etc.
Interesting fight.
Bashir said A.J is a cold calculated killer I see Hrgovic in the same light .Comment
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Sounds like somebody trying to collect a paycheck. Mentioning AJ in the same sentence as Ali is disrespectful.
Ali Bashir who is without a doubt the most knowledgeable current trainer out there who’s seen it all worked with A.J for a week . He claims A.J has untapped potential that will see him go down as the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind Muhammad Ali if he fights the way he can . Should A.J enlist Bashir full time I think it’s going to be a wrap on the division and I see him cleaning it out for sure . Bashir thinks A.J can get Usyk out of their within 4 rounds if he wanted ,that’s huge because he was very critical of A.J after the loss but when he was able to train with him he changed his mind on a lot of things .
The Joyce fight I see it as a very open target for A.J , speed gets to A.J not power . I think Joyce be in a lot of trouble there and get hammered and get stopped at some point .Comment
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I like Joyce, and he has a mixture of strengths and vulnerabilities that would make for a fan friendly fight against most HW's I feel.
Warren has been using his name to point score with Joshua though, so he can't be too surprised with any clapback.Comment
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Which you obviously dislike also so why do it yourself? neither AJ or Fury have the case to be near ali/lennox yet tbh but Bashir's comments are clearly because he wants to be his main trainer. Come on the best potential since Ali? even if he did have that potential he will never reach it now too little too late and i doubt his confidence will ever be the same. I see you in every single thread finding a way to hate on Fury it's insane reminds me of ****Em who also bummed AJ and insulted Fury all day. At the end of the day Joshua has 2 losses Fury has 0 him and Usyk are the top dogs now, deal with it.Comment
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Josh will be fighting for the forseeable future so if joyce hangs around long enough im sure we will see josh v joyce. Joyce might be 40 years old by then though.Comment
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It would be an interesting match up. AJ would be probably the biggest hitter Joyce has faced and definitely the best overall offence, but he isnt that hard to shake up and his gas tank isnt the best. Joyce is much slower but he has a Ruiz level or better chin, matches up to AJ in size and strength, is heavy handed in his own right and can keep up the pressure all night long.
I think it'd basically come down to how well Joyces chin holds up. If AJ cant hurt Joyce hes probably gonna get broken down and beaten into submission eventually.Comment
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