Who Wins between De La Hoya vs Marquez

[djtmal]

How can he not be dead man walking you idiot, 145 weighin 2lb gain in 30 hrs, IV tracks in his arm, hadn't been near 147 in 12 yrs, looked like sht at 150lbs in his previous fight against a soft punching LW.

And on top of all the pre fight information freely available, then there was his performance it was terrible flat-footed no power no resistance, what is also known in boxing as deadman walking, listen to the commentary and count how m,any times they comment on how ****** out Oscar is..

Then go look at a younger Oscar at 154 KOing a MW and at 154 fighting Floyd, the difference in power intensity strength and stamina was chalk and cheese.

Youre a deadbeat idiot with your head so far up Manny ass you cant see anything to do with him or Floyd without it being smeared in sht.

F**k you how about that.

Oscar got the brakes beat off him from a fighter giving up height and reach. Floyd pitty patted with Oscar for 12 rounds to a split decision, a year prior, and all you Floyd boys been making up excuses ever since.

Marquez at welterweight is straight weak. Outside of having Manny's number he's done nothing to convince me he could beat even a faded Oscar, which is who both Floyd and Manny fought.

All you Floyd boys parroted what Floyd said about Oscar when Brian Kenny reminded him that Manny beat the brakes off him. Nothing but excuses.

[paulf]

That one was roided

I am speaking of the fat slow Marquez that drank his piss and ate bird eggs against Floyd

That would have been a very close and competitive fight then. Marquez was undersized but extremely sharp that night, but just ran into someone who did everything he did better. Oscar would have had size but no speed, Marquez would have been tagging him on the way out all night.

SD win for one or the other.

[HrNY]

That would have been a very close and competitive fight then. Marquez was undersized but extremely sharp that night, but just ran into someone who did everything he did better. Oscar would have had size but no speed, Marquez would have been tagging him on the way out all night.

SD win for one or the other.

yea I could see that

and since it's Oscar, I could see him getting the nod

[djtmal]

145 weighin 2lb gain in 30 hrs, IV tracks in his arm, looked like sht at 150lbs in his previous fight against a soft punching LW.

I thought you was describing Floyd

[Rec28]

Oscar was robbed way more than JMM. He was robbed against Floyd and Mosley in the rematch. Not to mention Mosley was likely juiced for both fights. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight, though he does get some of the blame for trying to coast those last few rounds. JMM has never been robbed despite all the Manny haters who think he won. In fact, Manny was robbed in their first fight because judge Clements never scored the third knockdown in round one for Manny, otherwise that draw is a win for Manny.

Exactly this, On another note Manny beat Marquez 3 times, the 1st two times very clearly as i never understood that narrative,

Also if Manny really wanted to after being robbed in the 1st Fight and instead given a draw, he easily could have just ran away with the "draw" or even after the 2nd win against Marquez & never give him a rematch,

which seems to be quite accepted around here when another fighter does the same and finish his claim as being the best or something along those lines...……..

[HrNY]

Exactly this, On another note Manny beat Marquez 3 times, the 1st two times very clearly as i never understood that narrative,

Also if Manny really wanted to after being robbed in the 1st Fight and instead given a draw, he easily could have just ran away with the "draw" or even after the 2nd win against Marquez & never give him a rematch,

which seems to be quite accepted around here when another fighter does the same and finish his claim as being the best or something along those lines...……..

I never understood a reason for a 3rd fight(let alone the 4th fight). It wasn't like Marquez was going up in weight and was making a case for himself. He was staying in lower weight classes after getting schooled by floyd, and was fighting the baby bulls and katsidis' of the world, yet he was able to land a Pacquiao fight when he on record was 0-1-1(when it could've easily been 0-2). totally undeserving of a 3rd fight. he roids up in that fight and is bigger than manny on fight night and then roids again in the 4th fight and was able to land his hail mary. Landed that miracle half court shot, picked up his ball, and went home and didn't even want to keep playing even though he was given so many chances prior.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The Oscar De La Hoya who fought Pacquiao was in a bad way, and extremely weight drained. De La Hoya underestimated Pacquiao and believed he could still beat him while weight drained etc

Marquez would most likely beat that version of Oscar De La Hoya.

But any other version of Oscar De La Hoya, would completely annihilate Marquez.

Note: I am not sure why people are speaking very highly of Pacquiao's win over De La Hoya? Oscar De La Hoya was severely weight drained. Nobody at that point in boxing, knew that Pacquiao was going to move up in weight and still carry his punching power. As Pauli Malignaggi has pointed out 'Unlike most other fighters who move up in weight, and have to adapt their style? Pacquiao never adapted his style, he never showed people any new tactics, he just fought exactly the same'.

Pacquiao's punching power, speed, and strength seemingly all increased as he moved up in weight. Oscar De La Hoya did not anticipate this, and believed he could still beat Pacquiao while weight drained.

It all back fired. That fight was the start of Manny Pacquiao's destructive series of fights. The most destructive series of championship fights, since Mike Tyson's first world heavyweight championship reign.

Bionic Pacquiao

[Rec28]

I never understood a reason for a 3rd fight(let alone the 4th fight). It wasn't like Marquez was going up in weight and was making a case for himself. He was staying in lower weight classes after getting schooled by floyd, and was fighting the baby bulls and katsidis' of the world, yet he was able to land a Pacquiao fight when he on record was 0-1-1(when it could've easily been 0-2). totally undeserving of a 3rd fight. he roids up in that fight and is bigger than manny on fight night and then roids again in the 4th fight and was able to land his hail mary. Landed that miracle half court shot, picked up his ball, and went home and didn't even want to keep playing even though he was given so many chances prior.

Yeah completely agree, as you said it was the third fight where he was noticeably larger than Manny, people mistakenly assume he only started strength conditioning during the fourth fight though in actuality it was in the third fight that he had that physique metamorphosis.

[clmags12]

There are guys that just do better against certain guys. JMM jacked off to Pacquiao and was obsessed with him.

So JMM does well against Pacquiao, doesn't mean he beats plenty of other guys.

Some guys just have someone’s number. Norton was that guy for Ali. Norton got knocked the f out by Foreman

marquez against:
diaz W(but Diaz did just beat morales)
de la hoya L
hatton L
cotto L
clottey L
margarito L
bradley L
shane W (questionable since we don't really know how he'd do with shane's style)
rios W(still questionable but probably a baby bull type of performance)
algieri W(still in the air too with algieri's length)
vargas L(vargas drops him and plus vargas has a long jab)
horn L (austrailia robbery)
matthysse W
broner W(in the air since he hasn't shown to do good with this style)
thurman(L)
ugas(L)

6-11(and of these 6, I think only the Diaz and Lucas one is no debate there, the other wins seems like he could lose those as well)

I always compare it to metallo and superman. metallo does great against superman, but put him in with anyone else and he looks ordinary/mediocre

another funny thing is folks always say how greatly matched pacquiao was to make him look good. couldn't the same be said for marquez? I mean a lot of the fights he looked good at were the come forward face first guys weren't they? who'd he really beat that had movement and was a bad match up style wise for him? guys who could box and had movement he lost to. the ones he beat who could box(marco and joel) were way passed it

JMM aggressive counter punching style who wasnt afraid of mixing it up was a perfect clash with Mannys come foward style. It was guaranteed to be a war. $$$

If you are matching JMM to Mannys resume. I agree with most but taking Ls due to size, reach. Basically having an ineffective style match up bc of the physical disadvantages imo.

IMO JMM UDs both Rios and Broner. If we are talking the Shane(who fought Manny) that would be honestly a good fight hard to say for me. Shane seemed slower and more flat footed to me his power if connected to a smaller Juan who knows. I still have to disagree about that version of Oscar, if he was healthy of course he would.

[Roadblock]

F**k you how about that.

Oscar got the brakes beat off him from a fighter giving up height and reach. Floyd pitty patted with Oscar for 12 rounds to a split decision, a year prior, and all you Floyd boys been making up excuses ever since.

Marquez at welterweight is straight weak. Outside of having Manny's number he's done nothing to convince me he could beat even a faded Oscar, which is who both Floyd and Manny fought.

All you Floyd boys parroted what Floyd said about Oscar when Brian Kenny reminded him that Manny beat the brakes off him. Nothing but excuses.

You are a delusional fanboy with Rose glasses on, its very easy to prove so instead of denial how about you address what the world of boxing knows about the weights dates and man himself saying how drained he was, its all on video, its all in quoted comments made by the very people involved from Roach to Oscar to the commentators viewing the results the evidence is everywhere only a fool could deny Oscar was drained badly.

If you were real about things that's common knowledge you would get lot more respect in here, you cant bare to think oh Manny beat up on a dried out POW version of Oscar, Oh no not my Manny its a lie he killed the best version of Oscar ever lol fck lol, Manny wouldn't go near Oscar with a 10ft pole at 154, just like he wouldnt go near Cotto at 147 and then at 154 even after calling Cotto out he wanted ANOTHER CW for fck sake, Mannys career is so orchestrated, so built of the back of drained a few high profile name guys that he would not dare fight without that draining, built like a cartoon superman for his child like fans, you got the same BS going on as a teenage girls love of a Boy band, thats why you rant about Thurman who was a a wreck, again the proof is there in Thurmans lead up and injury history and then including Manny was favorite to beat Thurman, in jumps Ugas and makes his look easy, lucky it wasnt Spence or Manny leaves on another stoppage loss. dam his career is such a scripted affair.