Pacquiao's catchweights

[djtmal]

Another lame excuse from a Pacquiao fan lol. Pacquiao has never faced anyone at 154. He had to fight an old corpse Margarito at 150. He’s not a true 154lb champ like his former boss Floyd. That’s why Ring and BoxRec has him ranked below Floyd. Can’t be getting whooped by Jeff Horn and expect to be mentioned amongst TBE

Oh so now Margarito is an old corpse a guy Floyd could have beat down first but he backed out of the fight.

If Floyd your cherrypicking boy was such a "true" 154 champ, you wouldn't have to talk about shopworn fighters, he would have took on all comers especially the prime mw champ who was willing to drop down to 154 to see him but he made up excuses only a Floyd boy would defend:

"He's straight up and down with no special effects."

"I can't make 160 pounds...I can barely make 147. If I could go up to 155 pounds, I would beat him (GGG)...that's easy work,"

We know Floyd we know.

I thought this guy was the "true" 154 champ.

Classic Floyd talks major s**t but never down to back it up.

[ELPacman]

Im not debating that CWs have always been in boxing I don't like them because always takes something away from the guy having to come down, the guy going up gets a boost in strength and power, I'm debating the merit of some wins against CWed opponents, a CW can hurt you badly or not at all, or anywhere in between it depends on so many things with the individual case.

The biggest red flag with Manny was Cotto, refusing to fight him without a CW twice, the second time he called Cotto out for his 154 title, if ever you were going to move up for a title what easier path than a guy you already beat up, not for Manny he refused and that spells only one reason he doesn't believe he can beat Cotto without a CW that drains him.

Hey listen, fans wanted to see all these fights because Pac went up to WW primarily to face ODLH for his biggest paycheck and recognition. He shouldn't have really ever stuck there and went back down to 135lbs 140lbs. Granted the competition wasn't going to be as exciting. Since Pac decided to hover around 147lbs, he was being called out by naturally bigger guys left and right. In order to make some of those happen, while he had just entered WW, he had to setup terms. It wasn't until Pac finally settled into WW that he faced guys with no weight stipulations. You're talking a guy who prior to his ODLH bout was weighing under 135lbs.

Even on Pac's next day weight for all his WW bouts, I'm not sure he was ever more than 149lbs... He was a small WW and people basically wanted to see him lose badly to larger guys. Yet if he didn't face them, they'd call him a ducker. You can't have it all.

[Rec28]

Hey listen, fans wanted to see all these fights because Pac went up to WW primarily to face ODLH for his biggest paycheck and recognition. He shouldn't have really ever stuck there and went back down to 135lbs 140lbs. Granted the competition wasn't going to be as exciting. Since Pac decided to hover around 147lbs, he was being called out by naturally bigger guys left and right. In order to make some of those happen, while he had just entered WW, he had to setup terms. It wasn't until Pac finally settled into WW that he faced guys with no weight stipulations. You're talking a guy who prior to his ODLH bout was weighing under 135lbs.

Even on Pac's next day weight for all his WW bouts, I'm not sure he was ever more than 149lbs... He was a small WW and people basically wanted to see him lose badly to larger guys. Yet if he didn't face them, they'd call him a ducker. You can't have it all.

Perfectly said El, he should have gone back down to 140 or even 135 after a few years into his Welterweight run were he belonged,

even now recently after being out for more than 2 years instead of facing Ugas (where Ugas looked noticeably larger), he should have fought an opponent at the lower weight's were atleast the weight discrepancy would have been somewhat equal and would only leave Manny with an age/rust disadvantage,

also since his political career began he hadn't been training the same as before going back to over a decade now, and was more a part time performer juggling multiple ventures.

[Rec28]

- - No fighter came close to doing what Manny did to Marquez, first knocking him down thrice in his adopted hometown of Vegas in the first round without getting the crook Cortez stoppage, and then getting robbed on the cards by a judge admitting to a scoring error in that fight.

Then, (it gets mucho mas mejor senor) Marquez turns down the immediate rematch for a career purse, $700K to end up flying his team to Indonesia to be beat up by Chris John for a shockingly measly $25k purse, I mean U can't make up this kinda cowardly stoooooooooooopid up!

I could go on, but really, I need to stop picking on U stoooooooooooopid. I used to work with ******ed kids, and they were good kids, so no way I'm gonna pick on them. U ain't half as good though.

Yikes, you said it, Manny beat him clearly the 1st and 2nd time, 3rd fight where Marquez had some success in the middle rounds while Manny chasing him around and still outpointing him throughout that fight,

It did take Marquez a long time to agree on the rematch and in usual Marquez form he instead went with the lesser pay and supposedly easier opponent and lost a unanimous decision instead, guess fighting Pac that quick on a turnabout wasn't what he wanted, don't blame him.

[ELPacman]

That is a good point and I agree. But it feels like nobody remembers those guys and for those that do, Barrera and Morales weren't the same fighters by the time they faced Manny. Barrera had fought Erik twice and Morales had fought Marco three times. They dished out a lot of damage to each other and fighters are never the same if you look at the history of these types of rematches/trilogies. Manny was positioned at the perfect time.

The people will remember Cotto and Oscar more than they will Barrera and Morales.

I would agree that Morales wasn't entirely the same because he went through wars and never really reset himself to become more of a boxer the way Barrera did. He also never looked that great going up in weight as Barrera did, at least at 130lbs. Barrera on the other hand went on to get many more good wins after Pacquiao thrashed him. I never thought he was washed up yet. I think he was only 29 years old and just had a larger record fighting stiffs early on similar to Canelo.

General public will remember Cotto/Oscar more because they were introduced to him that way as any casual would be. They only watch the big, mega stars. While Morales and Barrera were mega stars for actual boxing fans, those would probably remember those fights as being better wins. It all depends who you ask. Pac really had 2 careers. One under 135lbs and the other over 140lbs. For me, over 140lbs was glamour Pac. Under 135lbs was serious Pac.

[Rec28]

Marquez was also a lightweight who Floyd already had a height and reach advantage over and on top of that, cheated on the scales. You conveniently left that piece of info out for good reason.

With all those advantages Floyd should have knocked the guy out the ring not safely box to a boring points win. Its obvious the guy didn't belong in there, but we already know how you card carrying Floyd Boys pedestalize mediocrity.

Yup, forget the knockout, no knockdown, no buzz, etc... with all those advantages and god knows what else... the man who's Testosterone to Epitestosterone is of an elderly man.

[Roadblock]

Yup, forget the knockout, no knockdown, no buzz, etc... with all those advantages and god knows what else... the man who's Testosterone to Epitestosterone is of an elderly man.

You sound like an echo in a toilet bowl.

[Amir Imam]

Oh so now Margarito is an old corpse a guy Floyd could have beat down first but he backed out of the fight.

If Floyd your cherrypicking boy was such a "true" 154 champ, you wouldn't have to talk about shopworn fighters, he would have took on all comers especially the prime mw champ who was willing to drop down to 154 to see him but he made up excuses only a Floyd boy would defend:

"He's straight up and down with no special effects."

"I can't make 160 pounds...I can barely make 147. If I could go up to 155 pounds, I would beat him (GGG)...that's easy work,"

We know Floyd we know.

I thought this guy was the "true" 154 champ.

Classic Floyd talks major s**t but never down to back it up.

Floyd was 39yrs old when GGG issued that weak challenge and how could GGG be a true champ at 154 when he’s never fought in that weight class. Do you even know what you’re talking about? Try again. Facts are facts Manny has never faced a fighter at 154 without requesting advantages. If Oscar and Cotto were shopworn then that just further puts a dent in Pacquiao legacy because he faced a drained Oscar after Floyd did

[Amir Imam]

Cotto and Oscar were not where near his best wins unless you just started watching boxing.

Barrera and Morales were his best wins by far.

This just shows than Manny shouldn’t be mentioned amongst Floyd. Morales also beat him first.

[hugh grant]

Another lame excuse from a Pacquiao fan lol. Pacquiao has never faced anyone at 154. He had to fight an old corpse Margarito at 150. He’s not a true 154lb champ like his former boss Floyd. That’s why Ring and BoxRec has him ranked below Floyd. Can’t be getting whooped by Jeff Horn and expect to be mentioned amongst TBE

You can't laugh at Pac s losses, when your idol not beat morales, bradley, horn. In australia. Why don't your idol show us how it's done.?
Pac is above TBE, and one of the goats, getting knocked out, and losing to fighters in their backyard isn't a barrier to it. If it is show.me where in rule book?