Does John"close fight"Ryder deserve a Canelo superfight more than David"can't get right"Benevidez?

[MONGOOSE66]

Just wondering what arguments anyone wants to make for each?
I'd argue that Ryder is far more proven,but Benevidez has a more threatening mojo.(I just don't see how DB has anywhere near experience required,but Ryder can be tricky because hes shorter & can fight inside.)


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Well, it seemed he went fought everyone at 168 who had a big name belt. Maybe if Benevidez held onto the belt he would of fought him. Perhaps it’s a good idea for him to go up to 175 and get a belt. Cause that’s where Canelo new collection is at.

[deathofaclown]

Oh you stuffed up and embaressed yourself so badly. I tried to help you as well. You literally don't think Benavidez who is a 2 time wc, 25-0 22 ko, has had a more impressive career than John friggin Ryder. LOL.

btw David did beat a WC for the WBC title when he stopped Dirrell. Also going by your logic we can dismiss all of Canelo's 168 titles as being worthless right since he did not beat any legit champions and won a Vacant WBC title?

Oh yeah, Dirrell the super champ that beat Yildirim in a vacant fight by technical decision.

I told you I don’t care about the titles. I don’t dismiss Canelo’s VICTORIES because he beat mostly solid fighters and consistently beats solid fighters for the most part. That’s what I rate. The belts are just a bonus.

Benavidez doesn’t do that, even if he had 10 belts, his best win is still a faded Dirrell, which is no better than anything Ryder has on his record at this time of talking. Like I said, he’ll go on to have the better career, but as of today, his best wins are not superior.

You’re putting too much emphasis on a padded record and a couple of easy titles that he couldn’t even keep. Belts mean nothing when you can win 2 titles and your best win is Dirrell.

You sound like a casual fan blinded by a belt and a padded record.

Ok, So has Ricky Burns the 3 weight world champion had an equal career to Erik Morales? He has less defeats and won world titles in the same amount of divisions. Going by your logic, he has had an equal career if that’s the main criteria.

So if you say that Ricky Burns has an equal career to Morales, then I’ll say Benavidez has had a better career than John Ryder that’s totally based on your logic

but you know it’s not right because you base it on what they did and who they beat. So as of today, Benavidez hasn’t beaten better fighters than Ryder.

[nino brown21]

Can't get right lol

[Oracle01]

Oh yeah, Dirrell the super champ that beat Yildirim in a vacant fight by technical decision.

I told you I don’t care about the titles. I don’t dismiss Canelo’s VICTORIES because he beat mostly solid fighters and consistently beats solid fighters for the most part. That’s what I rate. The belts are just a bonus.

Benavidez doesn’t do that, even if he had 10 belts, his best win is still a faded Dirrell, which is no better than anything Ryder has on his record at this time of talking. Like I said, he’ll go on to have the better career, but as of today, his best wins are not superior.

You’re putting too much emphasis on a padded record and a couple of easy titles that he couldn’t even keep. Belts mean nothing when you can win 2 titles and your best win is Dirrell.

You sound like a casual fan blinded by a belt and a padded record.

Ok, So has Ricky Burns the 3 weight world champion had an equal career to Erik Morales? He has less defeats and won world titles in the same amount of divisions. Going by your logic, he has had an equal career if that’s the main criteria.

So if you say that Ricky Burns has an equal career to Morales, then I’ll say Benavidez has had a better career than John Ryder that’s totally based on your logic

but you know it’s not right because you base it on what they did and who they beat. So as of today, Benavidez hasn’t beaten better fighters than Ryder.

Ok cool, so world titles don't matter and 5 losses including vs Rocky Fielding don't matter vs undefeated 25 wins with 22 ko, lets just ignore everything hey? Lets ignore how one fighter dominates every opponent while the other doesn't and loses 5 times. Apparently the reason so many top fighters are calling for Benavidez to fight Canelo vs none for Ryder, is because David's pro career not been anymore impressive than Ryders? You total clown show.

btw Dirrell was 33-1 undefeated for 5 years when David stopped him, and a 2 time wc. That is better than beating a 35 year old Jacobs in a controversial decision who has done nothing in the division. You are wrong on every level. GG.

[STREET CLEANER]

John represents the easy UK money, that is where Canelo will go if he has to pick between these two. Ryder will get hyped up like a real threat if this fight ever gets made.

[deathofaclown]

Ok cool, so world titles don't matter and 5 losses including vs Rocky Fielding don't matter vs undefeated 25 wins with 22 ko, lets just ignore everything hey? Lets ignore how one fighter dominates every opponent while the other doesn't and loses 5 times. Apparently the reason so many top fighters are calling for Benavidez to fight Canelo vs none for Ryder, is because David's pro career not been anymore impressive than Ryders? You total clown show.

btw Dirrell was 33-1 undefeated for 5 years when David stopped him, and a 2 time wc. That is better than beating a 35 year old Jacobs in a controversial decision who has done nothing in the division. You are wrong on every level. GG.

People are calling for the Benavidez fight because he’s likely a very good fighter. As I’ve said, I think he will definitely go on to have a much better career than John Ryder and is a better fighter, if he stays disciplined.

I’d choose Canelo v Benavidez every day over the Ryder fight because I think Ryder has hit his ceiling, Benavidez hasn’t. Ryder’s ceiling is nowhere near good to beat Canelo. Benavidez has only beaten Dirrell, so we don’t truly know how good he can be YET.

But as of today, there’s no wins on the record of Benavidez that I’d consider superior to any on Ryder’s really. It’s not difficult to understand. It doesn’t mean I think Ryder is an equal talent of his, it doesn’t mean I think Ryder should fight Canelo.

I’m simply saying Benavidez is young and has not yet PROVEN in the ring he’s much superior to Ryder because he’s only beaten Dirrell and this point. Do I think he will go on to prove it? Yes but Boxing is all about proving it in the ring. I’ve seen more gifted fighters than Benavidez go on to have a very underwhelming careers or a similar career to Ryder. Whether that’s through lack of discipline or other things and we’ve seen Benavidez lacks that.

I know a lot about boxing and I know enough to reserve judgement on a young fighter who shows a lack of discipline before hailing them as some top fighter, no matter how much talent they appear to have against their limited opposition.

[GhostofDempsey]

Deserve has little to do with title shots any more. Ryder is the more proven of the two, but he's an unknown and will never get a shot at the big prize/payday with Canelo. Benavidez has made a slightly bigger name for himself with trash talking and social media. He's also undefeated which helps to give him an edge over Ryder with 5 losses and 2 of those losses were to fighters that Canelo has already beaten.

[Silence]

Ok cool, so world titles don't matter and 5 losses including vs Rocky Fielding don't matter vs undefeated 25 wins with 22 ko, lets just ignore everything hey? Lets ignore how one fighter dominates every opponent while the other doesn't and loses 5 times. Apparently the reason so many top fighters are calling for Benavidez to fight Canelo vs none for Ryder, is because David's pro career not been anymore impressive than Ryders? You total clown show.

btw Dirrell was 33-1 undefeated for 5 years when David stopped him, and a 2 time wc. That is better than beating a 35 year old Jacobs in a controversial decision who has done nothing in the division. You are wrong on every level. GG.

Tell me best win of Bumavidez except Dirrell.

[Haka]

Not buying the Ryder hype.

[Oracle01]

People are calling for the Benavidez fight because he’s likely a very good fighter. As I’ve said, I think he will definitely go on to have a much better career than John Ryder and is a better fighter, if he stays disciplined.

I’d choose Canelo v Benavidez every day over the Ryder fight because I think Ryder has hit his ceiling, Benavidez hasn’t. Ryder’s ceiling is nowhere near good to beat Canelo. Benavidez has only beaten Dirrell, so we don’t truly know how good he can be YET.

But as of today, there’s no wins on the record of Benavidez that I’d consider superior to any on Ryder’s really. It’s not difficult to understand. It doesn’t mean I think Ryder is an equal talent of his, it doesn’t mean I think Ryder should fight Canelo.

I’m simply saying Benavidez is young and has not yet PROVEN in the ring he’s much superior to Ryder because he’s only beaten Dirrell and this point. Do I think he will go on to prove it? Yes but Boxing is all about proving it in the ring. I’ve seen more gifted fighters than Benavidez go on to have a very underwhelming careers or a similar career to Ryder. Whether that’s through lack of discipline or other things and we’ve seen Benavidez lacks that.

I know a lot about boxing and I know enough to reserve judgement on a young fighter who shows a lack of discipline before hailing them as some top fighter, no matter how much talent they appear to have against their limited opposition.

You know alot about boxing yet you are just focusing on wins and ignoring losses. You cannot just focus on wins and ignore losses on a record. The only good win Ryder has is vs a faded Jacobs at 168, and to be fair he did beat Callum smith. The rest of his resume is full of domestic level bums.

Benavidez has beaten stopped Dirrell and beaten a bunch of tough solid pros that do not exist on Ryders record. Angulu, Medina, Love, Ellis, Davis, Garvil are all better than the rest of ryders record past smith and jacobs. Everyone is calling for David to fight Canelo because he has PROVED to be that good of a fighter. The only thing he has not proven is his ceiling but to deny is pro career has surpassed Ryder is comical.

I’m simply saying Benavidez is young and has not yet PROVEN in the ring he’s much superior to Ryder because he’s only beaten Dirrell and this point. Do I think he will go on to prove it?

If you have watched them both fight, and still think David has not proven to be on a totally different level than John Ryder you are legit blind. The physical attributes, the boxing ability, the way he dominates and stops basically anyone he has fought, should make it clear he is far superior. You just seem to be fixeted on Davids 1 best win and not the totality of his work. Ryder would not last 6 rounds vs Benavidez.