Does John"close fight"Ryder deserve a Canelo superfight more than David"can't get right"Benevidez?

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Neither deserve a superfight.

But it would be ok for Canelo to fight Ryder in a "free" no PPV tune up in December.

[SplitSecond]

Yes.

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[Get em up]

The one thing Benavidez has going for him is former 2 time champ that's undefeated. It's his own damn fault he doesnt have the WBC title but he never lost it in the ring and that's his whole argument. I for one would love to see Benavidez and Canelo fight but it has nothing to do with a title. I just think itll be an awesome fight. Seeing as how it wont happen this year I think Benavidez should fight Charlo or move up to 175 and fight any of the top guys and try and make a statement. The talk of fighting Plant is ******. I'm not the guy to compare common opponents because it has no relevance.

[deathofaclown]

Holy crap the world is going insane now. You are totally ignoring the fact he has 5 losses, never been a WC and is literally a gate keeper? Just ignoring that because he beat a shot Jacobs who moved to 168 and Callum Smith who is nothing special? Christ this is comical now to suggest John Ryder is a more credible fight than David Benavidez, christ we have reached peak ******.

Tarver, mayweather, Tyson, Bradley, Pavlik, Crawford, to name a few are demanding he fights Benavidez but no its John Ryder lol. Find me one journalist or boxer who is calling for that fight just one. lol.

What are you talking about? Can you read ?

I said I have no interest in the Ryder fight because it’s a mismatch and I’d be more interested in the Benavidez fight if he starts adding some names to his record and actually making weight instead of losing titles on the scale. The fight might be in high demand by the public If Benavidez starts proving his worth in the ring and dedication to boxing instead of missing weight and taking coke.

you’re dumb If you read my post and thought I prefer the Ryder fight,

But as it stands, Benavidez hasn’t got wins anymore notable than the ones Ryder has. His potential is sure speculation until he starts proving it in the ring. That’s all I was pointing out. Who cares about 5 losses? Canelo could have 4 on his record because many felt GGG beat him twice and Lara. Pacquiao had quite a few losses when he was considered p4p 1 or 2. Losses don’t mean a thing when you’re taking good fights.

[Oracle01]

What are you talking about? Can you read ?

I said I have no interest in the Ryder fight because it’s a mismatch and I’d be more interested in the Benavidez fight if he starts adding some names to his record and actually making weight instead of losing titles on the scale. The fight might be in high demand by the public If Benavidez starts proving his worth in the ring and dedication to boxing instead of missing weight and taking coke.

you’re dumb If you read my post and thought I prefer the Ryder fight,

But as it stands, Benavidez hasn’t got wins anymore notable than the ones Ryder has. His potential is sure speculation until he starts proving it in the ring. That’s all I was pointing out. Who cares about 5 losses? Canelo could have 4 on his record because many felt GGG beat him twice and Lara. Pacquiao had quite a few losses when he was considered p4p 1 or 2. Losses don’t mean a thing when you’re taking good fights.

You are so thick you don't even under the point you made in your own post. By stating Ryder has better wins and Benavidez needs better names your basically claimed that Ryder is a more proven fighter, despite David being a TWO TIME WORLD CHAMPION. Thats sort of a big deal. And who cares about 5 losses? lol, thats also a huge deal Ryder lost to ROCKY FIELDING, and you think David needs to prove himself more? Jacobs is past his prime and not proven at 168 so a close win is nothing amazing. Callum Smith was his best win but that does not out weight Davids whole career of impressive dominating performances and being unbeaten. The Benavidez Canelo fight is ALREADY in high demand. The fights that were not in high demand were GGG and Bivol. Nobody was asking for those fights.

[Mammoth]

One is a high level gatekeeper, the other was a champion so Benavidez "deserves" it more.

[deathofaclown]

You are so thick you don't even under the point you made in your own post. By stating Ryder has better wins and Benavidez needs better names your basically claimed that Ryder is a more proven fighter, despite David being a TWO TIME WORLD CHAMPION. Thats sort of a big deal. And who cares about 5 losses? lol, thats also a huge deal Ryder lost to ROCKY FIELDING, and you think David needs to prove himself more? Jacobs is past his prime and not proven at 168 so a close win is nothing amazing. Callum Smith was his best win but that does not out weight Davids whole career of impressive dominating performances and being unbeaten. The Benavidez Canelo fight is ALREADY in high demand. The fights that were not in high demand were GGG and Bivol. Nobody was asking for those fights.

You would make total sense if I said Ryder clearly deserves the fight over Benavidez show me where i said that. Jesus, you’re ******.

I literally said I’d prefer the Benavidez even though I still think he hasn’t really achieved much more than Ryder, if at all in terms of good wins. Who cares if he held a couple of world titles (that he couldn’t keep). Ricky Burns was a 3 weight world champ but you wouldn’t say he’s more “deserving” of bigger fights than some clearly better fighters that have achieved less in terms of titles. Titles mean nothing these days, they give them out like sweets in vacant fights.

“Deserves” it’s such a ****** concept in boxing anyway because you can shift your criteria to suit a whats deserving and what isn’t.

I’ll make simple for your simple brain and double digit IQ. I’d prefer the Benevidez fight but in terms of good wins, his record is no better than Ryder’s, It’s that simple. If the criteria for deserving fights is based on good wins, then Benavidez doesn’t deserve it any more than Ryder. If your criteria for deserving the fight is based on the consensus of who’s the better fighter, then sure, I’d say Benavidez.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about because you’re literally arguing against points that I’ve never even made. Go and get some fresh air

p.s. Ryder was clearly robbed v Fielding, So that shows that your knowledge doesn’t stretch beyond boxrec

[Oracle01]

You would make total sense if I said Ryder clearly deserves the fight over Benavidez show me where i said that. Jesus, you’re ******.

I literally said I’d prefer the Benavidez even though I still think he hasn’t really achieved much more than Ryder, if at all in terms of good wins. Who cares if he held a couple of world titles (that he couldn’t keep). Ricky Burns was a 3 weight world champ but you wouldn’t say he’s more “deserving” of bigger fights than some clearly better fighters that have achieved less in terms of titles. Titles mean nothing these days, they give them out like sweets in vacant fights.

“Deserves” it’s such a ****** concept in boxing anyway because you can shift your criteria to suit a whats deserving and what isn’t.

I’ll make simple for your simple brain and double digit IQ. I’d prefer the Benevidez fight but in terms of good wins, his record is no better than Ryder’s, It’s that simple. If the criteria for deserving fights is based on good wins, then Benavidez doesn’t deserve it any more than Ryder. If your criteria for deserving the fight is based on the consensus of who’s the better fighter, then sure, I’d say Benavidez.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about because you’re literally arguing against points that I’ve never even made. Go and get some fresh air

p.s. Ryder was clearly robbed v Fielding, So that shows that your knowledge doesn’t stretch beyond boxrec

You are still focusing very narrowly on 'good wins' and totally ignoring the entire pro career acheivements of the two fighters, while totally dismissing the merit of being undefeated and not only a 2 time wc but the youngest ever WC in the division, and pretending its no better than a fighter with 5 losses NEVER been a wc just because he has 1 arguably slightly better name on his record. Comical. And lol at being so bad your in a position to get robbed by Rocky Fielding in the first place.

Lets make this simple. Who has had the more impressive pro career in your opinion. Benavidez or John Ryder? Think very very carefully, there are a lot of people watching.

[deathofaclown]

Lets make this simple. Who has had the more impressive pro career in your opinion. Benavidez or John Ryder? Think very very carefully, there are a lot of people watching.

Neither

i don’t care about titles, especially when they’re not taken off decent champions. Benavidez has won 2 vacant titles, who cares? Come back when he beats a champion. He couldn’t even keep the belts either.

Benavidez best win is a faded Dirrell, really no better than anything John Ryder has on his record. Ryder would probably have won a world title too if he got a vacant fight v Angulo not to mention he was robbed of belts v Smith. Fine margins.

Do I think Benavidez will go on to have a better resume than Ryder? Yes. Do I think Benavidez will have a better career than Ryder? Yes. Do I think as of March 17th 2022 that Benavidez has a better resume than Ryder, no not really.

[Oracle01]

Neither

i don’t care about titles, especially when they’re not taken off decent champions. Benavidez has won 2 vacant titles, who cares? Come back when he beats a champion. He couldn’t even keep the belts either.

Benavidez best win is a faded Dirrell, really no better than anything John Ryder has on his record. Ryder would probably have won a world title too if he got a vacant fight v Angulo not to mention he was robbed of belts v Smith. Fine margins.

Do I think Benavidez will go on to have a better resume than Ryder? Yes. Do I think Benavidez will have a better career than Ryder? Yes. Do I think as of March 17th 2022 that Benavidez has a better resume than Ryder, no not really.

Oh you stuffed up and embaressed yourself so badly. I tried to help you as well. You literally don't think Benavidez who is a 2 time wc, 25-0 22 ko, has had a more impressive career than John friggin Ryder. LOL.

btw David did beat a WC for the WBC title when he stopped Dirrell. Also going by your logic we can dismiss all of Canelo's 168 titles as being worthless right since he did not beat any legit champions and won a Vacant WBC title?