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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    #31
    Originally posted by M111

    I never take debate personally. That’s not what it’s about. however, i do take issue with a couple of the points you make above.

    Firstly, if you’re debating something with the irrevocable opinion that you’re correct you’re missing the point. Debate is about listening to other people’s points and considering them not just stating your own.

    Secondly implying my opinion is a bi product of a new age culture of boxing is just plain wrong and patronising. Ive been watching boxing for 40 years, way before these rules came in. I remember why they came in. I’ve also taught combat professionally and have attended many courses on head trauma so my ‘opinion’ is based on a sound understanding.

    I don’t think it is mandatory that fighters will weight drain themselves, that’s reality and they will continue to do it and push those limits to gain a competitive advantage whether weigh in is the same day or the day before. The only difference being that same day presents a higher risk in my opinion as it gives them less time to rehydrate.
    Weight draining is not reality for all fighters.

    Did Floyd Mayweather weight drain himself? No he did not. And I have also mentioned other top elite level fighters, who never bought into the weight draining culture. Those fighters are Carl Froch & Bernard Hopkins.

    From reading your posts, and having a mild back and fourth debate with you. I honestly think you have been affected by the weight draining culture. Maybe you have witnessed too much, maybe you have become too accepting 'That it exists, and that it will continue to factor'.

    Why else would you be expecting all boxers to weight drain themselves?

    On some level, you must have universally accepted weight draining & boxing competition as a partnership. This ultimately is the cult of weight draining, and how it has permeated throughout the sport. It is new age phenomenon, that did not exist going back in history.

    If fighters want to weight drain themselves, during the same day weigh in rules 'Then they will all learn the hard way'. Eventually they will all be forced to limit big weight cuts, effectively eliminating the weight draining culture from boxing.

    The facts are that, weight draining negativity affects the competition within the lower weight classes. There are no positives which come out of weight draining. The evidence is all out there, boxing fans witness the negative affects of weight draining every single, week, month and year.

    It is backwards ideology and culture, that needs to be eliminated from the sport. And the best way to do that, is by re-introducing the same day weigh in rule once again.

    So I gather that your argument is, that boxing should stick with the day before weigh in rule. Because it is safer for the fighters, who want to weight drain themselves. So even though you have attended educational courses, and taught combat sports professionally? And know the negative short term to long term affects of weight draining. You STILL think it is best that fighters are allowed to exploit the rules and weight drain themselves?

    M111, I have listened to your points, and I have considered them. And I don't think your points are not good enough. They are not good enough, to counter anything in my argument 'Deep down you know this'.

    My argument, and my points are emphatic. My disdain is apparent, and it is clear that I am not accepting of the culture.

    Do not accept weight draining culture, do not empower it. It is not impossible or inconceivable, that it can be eliminated from boxing. And that elimination starts here, it starts right now.

    Boxing fans, boxers and the sport itself will have to take a stance at some point. Because I do not think it is in the fighters or sports best interest, if this Weight Draining culture is allowed to be continually empowered. This is a matter of health and safety, this is a concern for the fighters well being in the short term and long term 'And it is also a matter of promoting pure uninhibited competition'.

    All the best.








    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 03-16-2022, 06:45 PM.

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    • 4truth
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      #32
      What evidence is there that making weight was even a factor? I see posts here going on and on as if this is a foregone conclusion.

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      • 4truth
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        #33
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

        Weight draining is not reality for all fighters.

        Did Floyd Mayweather weight drain himself? No he did not. And I have also mentioned other top elite level fighters, who never bought into the weight draining culture. Those fighters are Carl Froch & Bernard Hopkins.

        From reading your posts, and having a mild back and fourth debate with you. I honestly think you have been affected by the weight draining culture. Maybe you have witnessed too much, maybe you have become too accepting 'That it exists, and that it will continue to factor'.

        Why else would you be expecting all boxers to weight drain themselves?

        On some level, you must have universally accepted weight draining & boxing competition as a partnership. This ultimately is the cult of weight draining, and how it has permeated throughout the sport. It is new age phenomenon, that did not exist going back in history.

        If fighters want to weight drain themselves, during the same day weigh in rules 'Then they will all learn the hard way'. Eventually they will all be forced to limit big weight cuts, effectively eliminating the weight draining culture from boxing.

        The facts are that, weight draining negativity affects the competition within the lower weight classes. There are no positives which come out of weight draining. The evidence is all out there, boxing fans witness the negative affects of weight draining every single, week, month and year.

        It is backwards ideology and culture, that needs to be eliminated from the sport. And the best way to do that, is by re-introducing the same day weight in rule once again.

        So I gather that your argument is, that boxing should stick with the day before weigh in rule. Because it is safer for the fighters, who want to weight drain themselves. So even though you have attended educational courses, and taught combat sports professionally? And know the negative short term to long term affects of weight draining. You STILL think it is best that fighters are allowed to exploit the rules and weight drain themselves?

        M111, I have listened to your points, and I have considered them. And I don't think your points are not good enough. They are not good enough, to counter anything in my argument 'Deep down you know this'.

        My argument, and my points are emphatic. My disdain is apparent, and it is clear that I am not accepting of the culture.

        Do not accept weight draining culture, do not empower it. It is not impossible or inconceivable, that it can be eliminated from boxing. And that elimination starts here, it starts right now.

        Boxing fans, boxers and the sport itself will have to take a stance at some point. Because I do not think it is in the fighters or sports best interest, if this Weight Draining culture is allowed to be continually empowered. This is a matter of health and safety, this is a concern for the fighters well being in the short term and long term 'And it is also a matter of promoting pure uninhibited competition'.

        All the best.








        LOL! and yet we are supposed to believe he was so dehydrated that he needed an emergency IV.

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        • TheBoxGod
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          #34
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime






          Rhabdowtf?

          never heard that one before







          ...
          You hear about it in the fitness industry, and can be very debilitating some never are the same after, it is no a condition to take lightly although very preventable just dont "over do it". I think the people responsible for Ortiz fitness and recovery do not know what they are doing and basically running Ortiz into the ground and almost killed him.

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          • buge
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            #35
            How about weighing in every day for the last 2 weeks prior to the fight (and on fight night), and having to make weight. Surely nobody would cut weight for that long, or at least not for more than a few pounds.

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            • Sheldon312
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              #36
              It's time to get rid of some weight divisions

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              • gluvsup
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                #37
                Potentially catastrophic for Ortiz, while a mere bummer for us. Get well, son.

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                • aboutfkntime
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by TheBoxGod

                  You hear about it in the fitness industry, and can be very debilitating some never are the same after, it is no a condition to take lightly although very preventable just dont "over do it". I think the people responsible for Ortiz fitness and recovery do not know what they are doing and basically running Ortiz into the ground and almost killed him.





                  aah ok, thnx for the update






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                  • MONGOOSE66
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                    #39
                    You just can’t eat like a normal person when your a PROFESSIONAL fighter. I don’t get why these guys don’t get it. Your time is very limited. Shelf life is 10 years on average and that’s only if your OUTSTANDING.
                    So just suck it up till your 30 then retire. It ain’t going to kill you to eat healthy and not be a pig.
                    I remember hearing about 130 Hatton weighing in between fights 200lbs!!! WTF???

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                    • TheBoxGod
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by 4truth
                      What evidence is there that making weight was even a factor? I see posts here going on and on as if this is a foregone conclusion.
                      Weight has absolutely nothing to do with rhabdomyolysis, Rhabdomyolysis Is about extreme muscle damage and no diet can cause that. So everyone speculating on he weight drained himself or whatever are just talking nonsense cause again rhabdomyolysis is about extreme muscle breakdown and I repeat no diet can cause that.
                      Last edited by TheBoxGod; 03-17-2022, 10:10 PM.

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