Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz: I Felt Like My Body Was Deteriorating; I Didn't Know Why And It Was Frustrating

[M111]

Day before weigh ins allow fighters to safely rehydrate and on balance that is clearly more important / safer for fighters than enforcing same day weigh ins to ensure they fight at a natural weight. Brain health trumps muscle loss essentially.

[M111]

My mistake however - the Mancini fight was why dropped the number of rounds from 15 to 12. However the medical reason for day before weight ins is primarily due to hydration

[PRINCEKOOL]

i’m not making a thing up. The medical reason the weigh in is the day before is to allow fighters sufficient time to rehydrate before the fight as dehydration is a massive risk factor for head trauma injuries. Fact.

Whether fighters now cut more or less weight prior to fights is irrelevant to that discussion. And it was introduced shortly after the Mancini fight. Fact.

Fighters did not universally weight drain themselves by 10-25 pounds, during the era of the same day weigh in rule. So this medical reason you keep going on about, is completely and utterly made up 'You are making all of this up'.

So the day before weigh rule was introduced, and off the back of that weight draining has become a universal issue in boxing. So it was not a very astute medical decision was it?

Because boxers have exploited the rule, sometimes well most of their time to their detriment. Because eventually weight draining will have negative affects on performance.

You have made a entire section of history up, it is not irrelevant that fighters 'Do big weight cuts more now'. This is evidence that the day before weigh in rule, has negatively influenced the boxing culture.

The day before weigh in rule was introduced in part for entertainment.

Weight draining is now a cult in boxing, a backwards cult. All the evidence is out there, which would completely annihilate your argument.

If you want to carry this on, I will go out of my way. Whether it be latter on today, tomorrow or this week. At some point I will complete take apart your argument.

And I won't be doing this for entertainment, I will be doing it because? Weight draining is a serious issue in boxing 'And combat sport as a whole'.

Everyone knows this to be true, you have basically admitted this in your post. You know some fighters weight drain themselves. You have watched the fights, you have listened to the excuses 'Year after year after year'.

That is why you are speaking as if, every single fighter weight drain themselves at top level. That is all you know. You are apart of the cult. Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch are some recent fighters who did not implement big weight cuts, these are all fighters who never made excuses and although their performances decreased 'Their careers never saw a distinct dramatic collapsed in ability'.

I believe those distinct dramatic collapses are due to the compound affects of weight draining. Canelo Alvarez is already struggling in my opinion. Why did he lose against Floyd Mayweather again? What is the excuse all of his hardcore fans use? Yes that is right, apparently he lost because he was attempting to be the big man. It all back fired, and he was beaten easily 12-0 to 12-1, by a Floyd Mayweather nowhere near his peak.

The evidence is all out there mate. The day before weigh in rule, has negatively affected boxing in a multitude of ways.

I don't think it is impossible or inconceivable that it can be reintroduced.

Note: Fighters will learn the hard way, if they try and do 10-25 pound weight cuts under 'The same day weigh in rule'. Over time it will force fighters into limiting weight cuts, and they will have to fight and train closer to their natural weight. Notice the way you think it is mandatory that a fighters must weight drain themselves? I am talking about you personally. This is a bi-product of the new age culture in boxing, you believe in your mind that it is mandatory. You have accepted the backwards ideology ,even though you know it is detrimental.

It all starts at grass roots level, I have witnessed this myself.

Nothing personal this is just a debate.

[M111]

Agree that day before isn’t ideal but think same day has equal if not more risks. Ideally fighters would just safely arrive at their fight night weight and compete in that class. The reality is that they’ll always game the system and with that it always brings risks.

[M111]

But day before weigh ins have been retained to allow fighters to rehydrate. If you take that away and weigh on the same day, fighters will dehydrate to weigh in, insufficiently rehydrate, fight dehydrated, have slower reaction times, get hit more as a result and potentially be more at risk of brain injury due to this and the effects of dehydration. Is that seriously what you believe should happen??

[Chris Hanson]

Fighters did not universally weight drain themselves by 10-25 pounds, during the era of the same day weigh in rule. So this medical reason you keep going on about, is completely and utterly made up 'You are making all of this up'.

So the day before weigh rule was introduced, and off the back of that weight draining has become a universal issue in boxing. So it was not a very astute medical decision was it?

Because boxers have exploited the rule, sometimes well most of their time to their detriment. Because eventually weight draining will have negative affects on performance.

You have made a entire section of history up, it is not irrelevant that fighters 'Do big weight cuts more now'. This is evidence that the day before weigh in rule, has negatively influenced the boxing culture.

The day before weigh in rule was introduced in part for entertainment.

Weight draining is now a cult in boxing, a backwards cult. All the evidence is out there, which would completely annihilate your argument.

If you want to carry this on, I will go out of my way. Whether it be latter on today, tomorrow or this week. At some point I will complete take apart your argument.

And I won't be doing this for entertainment, I will be doing it because? Weight draining is a serious issue in boxing 'And combat sport as a whole'.

Everyone knows this to be true, you have basically admitted this in your post. You know some fighters weight drain themselves. You have watched the fights, you have listened to the excuses 'Year after year after year'.

That is why you are speaking as if, every single fighter weight drain themselves at top level. That is all you know. You are apart of the cult. Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch are some recent fighters who did not implement big weight cuts, these are all fighters who never made excuses and although their performances decreased 'Their careers never saw a distinct dramatic collapsed in ability'.

I believe those distinct dramatic collapses are due to the compound affects of weight draining. Canelo Alvarez is already struggling in my opinion. Why did he lose against Floyd Mayweather again? What is the excuse all of his hardcore fans use? Yes that is right, apparently he lost because he was attempting to be the big man. It all back fired, and he was beaten easily 12-0 to 12-1, by a Floyd Mayweather nowhere near his peak.

The evidence is all out there mate. The day before weigh in rule, has negatively affected boxing in a multitude of ways.

I don't think it is impossible or inconceivable that it can be reintroduced.

Note: Fighters will learn the hard way, if they try and do 10-25 pound weight cuts under 'The same day weigh in rule'. Over time it will force fighters into limiting weight cuts, and they will have to fight and train closer to their natural weight. Notice the way you think it is mandatory that a fighters must weight drain themselves? I am talking about you personally. This is a bi-product of the new age culture in boxing, you believe in your mind that it is mandatory. You have accepted the backwards ideology ,even though you know it is detrimental.

It all starts at grass roots level, I have witnessed this myself.

Nothing personal this is just a debate.

Did you watch the canelo floyd fight? That fight was closer than all the pbc robberies that happen every month. Casual

[A_State501]

Did you watch the canelo floyd fight? That fight was closer than all the pbc robberies that happen every month. Casual

The only robbery was the 114-114 card. That fight wasn't close at all but we know he was green with 40+ professional fight. How old was Oscar when he beat the legend JCC?

[M111]

If you want to carry this on, I will go out of my way. Whether it be latter on today, tomorrow or this week. At some point I will complete take apart your argument.

Note: Fighters will learn the hard way, if they try and do 10-25 pound weight cuts under 'The same day weigh in rule'. Over time it will force fighters into limiting weight cuts, and they will have to fight and train closer to their natural weight. Notice the way you think it is mandatory that a fighters must weight drain themselves? I am talking about you personally. This is a bi-product of the new age culture in boxing, you believe in your mind that it is mandatory. You have accepted the backwards ideology ,even though you know it is detrimental.

It all starts at grass roots level, I have witnessed this myself.

Nothing personal this is just a debate.

I never take debate personally. That’s not what it’s about. however, i do take issue with a couple of the points you make above.

Firstly, if you’re debating something with the irrevocable opinion that you’re correct you’re missing the point. Debate is about listening to other people’s points and considering them not just stating your own.

Secondly implying my opinion is a bi product of a new age culture of boxing is just plain wrong and patronising. Ive been watching boxing for 40 years, way before these rules came in. I remember why they came in. I’ve also taught combat professionally and have attended many courses on head trauma so my ‘opinion’ is based on a sound understanding.

I don’t think it is mandatory that fighters will weight drain themselves, that’s reality and they will continue to do it and push those limits to gain a competitive advantage whether weigh in is the same day or the day before. The only difference being that same day presents a higher risk in my opinion as it gives them less time to rehydrate.

[real raw]

Weighing in the day before the fight was implemented the day before the fight to prevent fighters who made weight for declining to fight against a fighter who didn't make weight. The fighter is given extra time to make weight. Today's fighters are fighting at artificially lower weights due to this loop hole.

I'm all in favor of same day weigh-in, that would present a truer picture of the weight classes.

[real raw]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/boxing-history/363838-when-did-same-day-weigh-ins-stop