Why Do Irish Fighters Historically Suck?

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Alright, I will be serious and honest.

I honestly don't have a clue how y'all judge ethnicity in Europe. Or who is a native in Europe. I thought Calzaghe was English because he was born in London until I started talking boxing online with British folk.

The concept of claiming an ethnicity based on family lineage is pretty popular stateside. Most of us identify in that Calzaghe sort of way where family trumps location.

Over there, I'm not sure where you begin with what is and isn't a native to begin with. I mean I've some rough understanding of the history, I know the picts and celts and anglos and vikings and norman and **** but I never, ever, hear Brits talking about well I'm actually 95% pict or some such similar claim to being more nativer than their countrymen. I imagine if you've a lot of Anglo and Celtic genes logically you're more native than someone with a lot of Norman...and if I ****ed up the chronology fix it so it make sense

Also, there's how y'all handle ethnicity in general. Youse correct me on Joe's Welshness, fair dues, but why do people get upset when I call Khan a ****? I get he's English too, but he's definitely Pakistani

Europeans are happy to accept Andy as Mexican, from California, but it seems like no one sees black guys as their ethnicity. I mean Wilder and Joshua both claim Nigerian. And that's it, Wilder and Joshua claim it for themselves but no one calls them or classifies them as Nigerians. I think Whyte claims Jamaican...but he's English. Good native black English.

So, honestly, I haven't a ****in clue because I don't even know the rules. I'm happy to call Fury an Englishman.


I mean it's in history too.

Jack Dempsey is often cited as an Irish.

Ali, not so much.

Jack Dempsey's family is about two generations deeper in US history than Ali's Irish roots.

Ali is more Irish than Jack Dempsey.

Jack Dempsey is often cited as Irish, but Ali, not so much....no effin clue why bud, none.


I claim Puerto Rican but that's really something people push on you in America. When you're little and you don't understand the question they just ask you where your parents and grandparents came from. My father's from Puerto Rico so I'm a white skinned, green eyed, Puerto Rican man with a mid Florida (swamp with the gators n ****) accent. My grandfather, other side, is from County Cork and so I am also Irish...with my Florida accent and Hispanic surname. I'd be more than happy to simply be American but America is way too racist for that.

No ****in clue what the rules are meant to be actually.

Where are you from, and whats in your blood 'I think those are the rules'.

So Tyson Fury is English of Irish decent. The same way you get Italian American's, African American's, or Irish American's.

But America is a nation of immigrants, so to be American is to be yourself. Of course there is the native American Indians, then everyone else.

Anthony Joshua is Black English, of Nigerian and he has some Irish in him.

I think it is important to always acknowledge your full heritage.

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Barry Mcguigan not bad has he been mentioned. But it's a small island

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Andre Ward?

Yeah, I was going to include "Irish" Andre Ward to the conversation but you beat me to it.

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Holyfield took his first L from an Irishman.in his younger years when he said he was told white boys can’t fight in his own words cried over it .

Cooney wasn’t good ? Probably becomes very dominant if Holmes wasn’t around at that time and gave him a tough fight ,maybe the 15 rounds saved Holmes ?

Wayne McCullough was very good back in the 90”s . There’s an ex champion Shawn Ogrady who used to host Tuesday night fights he was in the lighter classes .


Jack Dempsey maybe part Cherokee ? I don’t know .


I think it’s another crazy topic ,I mean there’s not many top Irishman in boxing but who exactly was supposed to be the guy after Cooney ? I’ll say not many dedicated Irishman have come along though , Fury is practically one of them but he’s born into boxing and has very good genetics he’s a fourth generation fighter I believe ?

There we’re mentions of MMA to , Ken Shamrock was the best of his era . You also have many bare knuckle champions that were of Irish decent .

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Holyfield took his first L from an Irishman.in his younger years when he said he was told white boys can’t fight in his own words cried over it .

Cooney wasn’t good ? Probably becomes very dominant if Holmes wasn’t around at that time and gave him a tough fight ,maybe the 15 rounds saved Holmes ?

Wayne McCullough was very good back in the 90”s . There’s an ex champion Shawn Ogrady who used to host Tuesday night fights he was in the lighter classes .


Jack Dempsey maybe part Cherokee ? I don’t know .


I think it’s another crazy topic ,I mean there’s not many top Irishman in boxing but who exactly was supposed to be the guy after Cooney ? I’ll say not many dedicated Irishman have come along though , Fury is practically one of them but he’s born into boxing and has very good genetics he’s a fourth generation fighter I believe ?

There we’re mentions of MMA to , Ken Shamrock was the best of his era . You also have many bare knuckle champions that were of Irish decent .

Holyfields first loss was to Bowe you idiot!

Cooney was bum, Wayne was a bum!

Barry Mcguigan not bad has he been mentioned. But it's a small island

Mcguigan was b a bum!

Cooney and Wayne was a bum! LMOA. This forum is full of idiots!!!

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Looks like "Dosser" aka "****EM" got canned again lol.

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The very fact that this thread is made, shows you that Ireland is a boxing nation. How come nobody makes such threads about France, or Brazil?

Deep down people who know boxing, understand that boxing throughout history has dominant nations. These nations have basically built the stories, rivalries and history of boxing.

England, America, Italy, Ireland, Mexico, Cuba and more so in the modern age Puerto Rico and Eastern European Countries.

These are the countries that have influenced boxing the most. I suppose you can include the entire nation of Britain.

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thread starter obviously haven't heard about jimmy mclarnin.

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Martin Rogan was awesome. 1-1 with Audrey Harrison, the same Audley Harrison who David Haye was so scared of, he had to pay him to take a dive. As David Haye said to him (clearly on video) just before he "knocked him out" "Now". Audley took the Haye dive money as it was all part of his plan, which would have seen him win and retain titles in years to come, during that time also retiring Haye in the rematch. But unfortunately within weeks of the Haye fight, Harrison became past prime after spending a week in Asia with some hoes, so just like Mike Tyson, the Asian hoes ended prime Audley Harrison. Nash out.

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Where are you from, and whats in your blood 'I think those are the rules'.

So Tyson Fury is English of Irish decent. The same way you get Italian American's, African American's, or Irish American's.

But America is a nation of immigrants, so to be American is to be yourself. Of course there is the native American Indians, then everyone else.

Anthony Joshua is Black English, of Nigerian and he has some Irish in him.

I think it is important to always acknowledge your full heritage.

Whyte has an Irish grandfather it's public knowledge so you could stretch the truth and you will have the first all Irish heavyweight championship since probably the early 20th century.