Mayweather: "Mosley Beat De La Hoya on Steroids"

[jrosales13]

How? Floyd went to 154 and beat DLH for 20 mill. No fighter would turn that down. Then he fought an undefeated top10 p4p Hatton (after years of Hatton turning him down). How weren't those tough fights?

When Tony called out DLH after he beat Cotto where was the outrage?

They were not tought fights for Floyd. No neutral unbiased fan gave them a chance to beat him. And, I was outraged when Tony was trying to get a fight with a shot Oscar.

[jrosales13]

So Pac isn't a tough fight? Amazing how JMM is considered unworthy yet their weights are similar. Difference is one still cut the other doesn't.

If Floyd came back and fought Clottey everyone would say Clottey ain't beat no one and he's not ****. It's the same thing every time.

Actually I think fans. Especially me would of had mad respects for Floyd if he came after a long lay off and fough a very tough strong Clottey. I don't think anybody would of dissed him for that.

[Legendary Statu]

i hate that i have to do so but i have too agree with Floyd on this one just like its hard to believe that margarito cheated only once the same goes for Shane

[redspot19]

floyd beats dela hoya in steroids too. he refused to undergo blood test before and after that fight, that's a fact.

[Dave Rado]

Shane ducked Floyd several times.

He didn't duck him, that's ridiculous nuthuggery.

There were two occasions when Floyd tried to get a fight with Mosley.

The first time, Mosley moved up two entire weight divisions and took on and beat the P4P #2. To call that ducking is insane, and only complete idiots would call it that.

The second time, Mosley didn't want to get in the way of his boss, De La Hoya, who wanted a fight with Floyd at the time. In any case, Mosley was not even in the same weight division as Floyd at that time, so there was no reason why they should fight. To call that ducking is also ridiculous.

By contrast, Mosley is now the #1 ranked Welterweight, and recognised as such by almost all neutral boxing fans and by almost all boxing experts. For Mayweather to make it clear that he doesn't want to fight the man generally recognised as the best fighter in his own weight class is pathetic.

[Dave Rado]

Because it's true. Clottey isn't nothing special. His best wins are losses. Floyd's the onyl fighter to get **** for fighting an undefeated top10 p4p fighter in Hatton. It's dumb.

People are obsessed with the P4P lists. Do you think he should fight Vasquez because he's in the P4P lists? Should he have fought Calderon when he was in the P4P lists? For that matter, why not fight Hopkins? The obsession people have with those lists is just ridiculous.

Clottey is recognised as the #3 Welterweight at the moment, and Welterweight is Floyd's weight class. His loss to Cotto was extremely close and fairly controversial, and it solidified his ranking as #3. Other then the Cotto/Pac winner or Mosley, there is no more credible fight for him than Clottey. And Clottey would be the massive favourite to beat Marquez easily.

And Marquez's best fights were also controversial losses, in his case, to Pac.

[Dave Rado]

Actually I think fans. Especially me would of had mad respects for Floyd if he came after a long lay off and fough a very tough strong Clottey. I don't think anybody would of dissed him for that.

Exactly, he'd have gained massive respect from all neutral boxing fans if he'd made Clottey his tune-up rather than Marquez - and only Floyd nuthuggers would say otherwise.

But I was okay with the JMM tune-up until Floyd started to make it clear he didn't want to fight the #1 fighter in his own weight class, Mosley, after that tune-up; and he has also given the impression that he is going to price himself out of a fight with the Pac-Cotto winner as well. That attitude simply can't be defended, and all those who are trying to defend it are simply not boxing fans, IMO, they are just nuthuggers.

[Iceta]

Where is the proof that Shane didn't have a valid medical reason not to fight Floyd when he declined because of his tooth?

Where is the proof Shane didn't want to fight Floyd at all?

When discussing the Mosley-Mayweather argument I need to apologize for not having my facts straight. I had originally thought that Shane fought the rematch with Vargas in September when it was actually fought in July. But even so, I think it is a big task for Mosley to have to drop seven pounds in a four month time period. That may have factored into his decision. But he fought Margarito at 147 four months after he beat Mayorga at 154, so who knows what was going through his mind in the post-fight interview of that fight with Vargas?

My overall conclusion is the same that everybody else comes to. De La Hoya had first dibs on Floyd, and Shane didn't want to go against what would've generated the most money for a company that he was a partner in. You have to remember that Shane and Hopkins get a small piece of every Golden Boy fight. That small chunk would turn into a big chunk because of the money that the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight generated.

But all that aside, Mosley has wanted to fight Floyd when the De La Hoya factor hasn't been in play. You can't say the same about Floyd. Mosley aggressively pursued a fight with Floyd after he beat Collazo and became the WBC interim champ. Mosley had to settle for Cotto instead because Mayweather picked a 140 lb fighter in Ricky Hatton. I also thought Mosley beat Cotto in a close fight. Mosley even still wanted to fight Floyd after he had competitively lost to Cotto as well.

[jrosales13]

Exactly, he'd have gained massive respect from all neutral boxing fans if he'd made Clottey his tune-up rather than Marquez - and only Floyd nuthuggers would say otherwise.

But I was okay with the JMM tune-up until Floyd started to make it clear he didn't want to fight the #1 fighter in his own weight class, Mosley, after that tune-up; and he has also given the impression that he is going to price himself out of a fight with the Pac-Cotto winner as well. That attitude simply can't be defended, and all those who are trying to defend it are simply not boxing fans, IMO, they are just nuthuggers.

I agree. I am ok with the JMM tune-up. Cuz I think it will be a tougher fight then expected. But, if Floyd would of fought Clottey first. I don't see who would of had a problem with that? There could be no argument why that fight wouldn't be acceptable to the fans.

I don't get Floyd fans sometimes. I feel they should demand greatness instead of repeating everything he says. And, keep making excuses for him not to fight the best.

My favoriter of all time is Trinidad. He made me a hardcore boxing fan. And, I can say why I think he is an ATG. But, I can also make an argument why he is NOT an ATG. But, the one thing that made me a fan is the he fought everybody on the block. He has losses cuz he took risk. He dared to be great. I think every fighter should dare to be great. And, honestly for the last 6yrs I fell that Floyd has not dared to be great. He has taken the pats of least resistance. He care too much about that zero to risk loosing it. And, that will never change.

[Iceta]

I agree. I am ok with the JMM tune-up. Cuz I think it will be a tougher fight then expected. But, if Floyd would of fought Clottey first. I don't see who would of had a problem with that? There could be no argument why that fight wouldn't be acceptable to the fans.

I don't get Floyd fans sometimes. I feel they should demand greatness instead of repeating everything he says. And, keep making excuses for him not to fight the best.

My favoriter of all time is Trinidad. He made me a hardcore boxing fan. And, I can say why I think he is an ATG. But, I can also make an argument why he is NOT an ATG. But, the one thing that made me a fan is the he fought everybody on the block. He has losses cuz he took risk. He dared to be great. I think every fighter should dare to be great. And, honestly for the last 6yrs I fell that Floyd has not dared to be great. He has taken the pats of least resistance. He care too much about that zero to risk loosing it. And, that will never change.

I'm not a Floyd fan by any stretch of the imagination, but JMM is a tougher fight for Floyd than Clottey is. Clottey doesn't throw any damn punches. If Cotto's movement caused him to stop punching, then you know Floyd's movement would. I've even said that JMM is a tougher fight for Floyd than Cotto is because of Cotto's poor defense and stamina and his vulnerability for uppercuts. I think the only fighters at 147 that are a tougher fight for Floyd are Mosley (if he's not too past it or ring rusty) and Paul Williams (if he was still at the weight). I'm somewhat of a Cotto doubter and detractor while not liking Floyd at the same time, so that probably factors into my opinion.