Josh Taylor Should Not be Judged Just Off His Performance From Yesterday But.........

[GhostofDempsey]

Did you see the post fight press conference?

Josh and Bob said they he’s going to 147. Which means the call out of Tank early in the week was just PR bullish-t.

Of course guys like you that hate Haymon, Floyd and Tank blame them when clearly Josh and Arum are up to the usual TR media BS.

Floyd said in house fights ages ago. Nothing much from Josh. Soon as he has a title defense and need a to drum up attention knowing he is about to go up to 147 m, he makes a big deal about Tank.

Tank had had 1 fight at 140. Since when do you think a guy that has 1 fight at a weight then deserves a shot at the undisputed title?

Floyd has been ducking fighters his whole career, and is using the same blueprint with Tank. Explain how Tank was "too young" for Loma at 23, even though he held a major title, yet Canelo was not "too young" for Floyd? Don't give me the amount of pro fights Canelo had either. Tank had almost 4x as many amateur fights as Canelo. Floyd and Tank ducked Loma, and even when Tank was 25, they still said he's too young doe!

So now all the sudden you care if a fighter deserves a shot at undisputed because he only has one fight at a weight class? Are you using that same standard for Charlo, because he says he wants a fight with Canelo at 168, but hasn't fought at 168 yet, does he just jump to the head of the line? Andrade too?

[deathofaclown]

The thing is he's always had flaws even before Saturday. Watch the Prograis fight and see how much he was getting tagged with CLEAN shots, especially towards the end of the fight. Postol was all but even with him until the end and then while Taylor legitimately beat Ramirez but he didn't look great towards the end and was once again eating some big shots. Taylor is clearly skilled and versatile on the inside but no doubt he has taken advantage of his big size advantage against the 140 pounders. I remember Robert Garcia saying he couldn't believe how much bigger Taylor looked against Ramirez.

He needs to sharpen up his defense and needs to stop being over anxious against good defensive fighters. Taylor will be alright but his biggest issue will be dealing with the top WWs who are very very good.

I actually didn’t think Taylor was great v Ramirez at points. The achievement was great, but there didn’t seem to be much of a game plan from round one. His sheer intensity and determination got him through and also Ramirez isn’t hard to catch, so he caught him with good shots. It’s still an excellent win.

Even though he still had flaws under McGuigan, I think at least he fully understood his strengths and could use them to his full advantage. Most fighters have flaws, that’s ok.

Under Davison I feel he’s getting away from things he does really well, which exposes flaws even more. He doesn’t even use the jab much anymore, just to find range. His jab is good and solid when he wants. There also seems to be a lack of intensity, which was one of his best attributes that he could use in his favour. Where’s all those whipping body shots he used to throw that he slowed Prograis down with? He used to break plenty of fighters down with them.

Fury also got away from using a solid jab under Davison, he brought it back under Sugar Hill.

I know it’s fashionable to bash Davison. I think he knows boxing. It doesn’t mean you can just train any top level fighter and run training camps. I don’t think he’s the right fit for Taylor.

[KTFOKING]

I actually didn’t think Taylor was great v Ramirez at points. The achievement was great, but there didn’t seem to be much of a game plan from round one. His sheer intensity and determination got him through and also Ramirez isn’t hard to catch, so he caught him with good shots. It’s still an excellent win.

Even though he still had flaws under McGuigan, I think at least he fully understood his strengths and could use them to his full advantage. Most fighters have flaws, that’s ok.

Under Davison I feel he’s getting away from things he does really well, which exposes flaws even more. He doesn’t even use the jab much anymore, just to find range. His jab is good and solid when he wants. There also seems to be a lack of intensity, which was one of his best attributes that he could use in his favour. Where’s all those whipping body shots he used to throw that he slowed Prograis down with? He used to break plenty of fighters down with them.

Fury also got away from using a solid jab under Davison, he brought it back under Sugar Hill.

I know it’s fashionable to bash Davison. I think he knows boxing. It doesn’t mean you can just train any top level fighter and run training camps. I don’t think he’s the right fit for Taylor.

The second KD or maybe it was the first KD where it was a bit dirty really did Ramirez in for that fight. Without it, then it could have potentially been a different fight. And I agree, he didn't look great even though the accomplishment of being undisputed is big time. A lot of folks had him top 5 P4P but I didn't see that from watching him.

No doubt he was better with McGuigan. I'm not even sure he had a game plan on Saturday aside from just physically trying to bully Catterall on the inside and stopping him. Like he kept getting hit with the same left hand over and over and was getting jabbed to death at points. I wish he would go back to McGuigan but that isn't going to happen.

But trying to picture Taylor using those same tactics against BIG and strong WWs like Spence/Ennis/Crawford is going to end very very poorly for Taylor. His chin isn't bad despite getting put down on Saturday night, but those three will just jab him over and over before landing big shots. He needs to clean it up and be better going forward.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd has been ducking fighters his whole career, and is using the same blueprint with Tank. Explain how Tank was "too young" for Loma at 23, even though he held a major title, yet Canelo was not "too young" for Floyd? Don't give me the amount of pro fights Canelo had either. Tank had almost 4x as many amateur fights as Canelo. Floyd and Tank ducked Loma, and even when Tank was 25, they still said he's too young doe!

So now all the sudden you care if a fighter deserves a shot at undisputed because he only has one fight at a weight class? Are you using that same standard for Charlo, because he says he wants a fight with Canelo at 168, but hasn't fought at 168 yet, does he just jump to the head of the line? Andrade too?

Floyd’s career and Tank not fighting Loma has nothing to do with Josh Taylor, his comment, or the post I quoted from you and responded to.

You didn’t answer the question. Did you see the post fight press conference? If you did, then your post is absolute garbage. If you didn’t, then you should watch it because it shows clearly that Josh had no intention of fighting Tank or anyone else at 140.

I’ve commented many times on this subject, but have not been against it as you have. That is why I am asking why did you shift? I am not shifting my position when it comes to Charlo fighting Canelo at 168. Nice try doe.

Any comments made about Andrade have been about GGG unification at 160. Nothing about 168.

The point is Taylor had no plans of staying at 140. So let’s stop the BS about Tank and hold Josh and Bob accountable.

[deathofaclown]

The second KD or maybe it was the first KD where it was a bit dirty really did Ramirez in for that fight. Without it, then it could have potentially been a different fight. And I agree, he didn't look great even though the accomplishment of being undisputed is big time. A lot of folks had him top 5 P4P but I didn't see that from watching him.

No doubt he was better with McGuigan. I'm not even sure he had a game plan on Saturday aside from just physically trying to bully Catterall on the inside and stopping him. Like he kept getting hit with the same left hand over and over and was getting jabbed to death at points. I wish he would go back to McGuigan but that isn't going to happen.

But trying to picture Taylor using those same tactics against BIG and strong WWs like Spence/Ennis/Crawford is going to end very very poorly for Taylor. His chin isn't bad despite getting put down on Saturday night, but those three will just jab him over and over before landing big shots. He needs to clean it up and be better going forward.

I’m still not that sold on Ennis in some ways. He has a real terrible habit of pulling out with his chin high in the air and gets caught flush nearly every fight. He’s getting away with it fighting opponents who are coming off 2 losses against crap fighters. Try that against a good level fighter and he’s going to be on his back soon, I guarantee it. He’s still very talented, that’s clear, but he’ll get flattened by a good puncher with good timing if he keeps doing that, And in boxing it’s not easy to get out of bad habits if you get away with it for long enough. If I see that happening still in the next couple of fights, I’d put money on him getting badly stopped within the next 2 years if he’s fighting real top fighters.

I know the hipster boxing fans put him up there as some elite fighter even now and completely ignoring his flaws. He would get wrecked right now by a top welterweight in my opinion. He hasn’t fought anyone and fighters will find that chin with that gaping flaw.

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd’s career and Tank not fighting Loma has nothing to do with Josh Taylor, his comment, or the post I quoted from you and responded to.

You didn’t answer the question. Did you see the post fight press conference? If you did, then your post is absolute garbage. If you didn’t, then you should watch it because it shows clearly that Josh had no intention of fighting Tank or anyone else at 140.

I’ve commented many times on this subject, but have not been against it as you have. That is why I am asking why did you shift? I am not shifting my position when it comes to Charlo fighting Canelo at 168. Nice try doe.

Any comments made about Andrade have been about GGG unification at 160. Nothing about 168.

The point is Taylor had no plans of staying at 140. So let’s stop the BS about Tank and hold Josh and Bob accountable.

Nice deflection, I expected nothing less from you. Tank ducked Loma, Haney, Garcia, Teo, and Taylor. He's an overrated hype job who will follow his mentor's footsteps and never fight an elite level fighter at their best.

Taylor would have certainly fought Tank. It was only after this last fight he felt he has outgrown the division. I predicted the only way Tank or Teo would hold a title at 140 would be if Taylor either relinquished the titles or was stripped. Now we get to see which bum is lined up for Tank so he can win a title at 140. It's a joke, and his career is full of smoke and mirrors just like Floyd.

[Get em up]

And like he has wins over Postol, Ramirez, Prograis etc so we have seen him perform at a high level before.

Also, he battled Covid at one point and had a knee injury a little while ago so who knows how well his camp went.

Saying all that, I just don't think he's good enough defensively and will be strong enough to manhandle the top guys on the inside like he does at 140 to beat them.

That's my thought too he had an AMAZING run to get the undisputed crown at 140 but the top guys at 147 are gonna be bigger faster and stronger than he is used to and defensively he is lacking and that's not gonna do him any favors against the elite welters

[MeanestNiceGuy]

If he barely got past Catterall, then why even open a thread saying he's "not ready" for (insert top fighters here)? It's just dumb.

As mentioned, boxing fans and media will judge you based on your most recent performance. Problem is, people spew horse crap after a performance but we all have to wait to the next fight date, right? Maybe Taylor had an "off" night, maybe Catterall was the better man. Who knows?

Most of you all scoffed at Catterall because you had no Earthly idea who the **** he was in the first place....NOW we're opening one thread after another saying how "horrible" Taylor looked. Which one is it? If you want to bleat on about for the sake of attention, then say that and be done with it.

Yes, it was a close fight but Catterall practically gave away the last 3-4 rounds. Why do some underdogs do this? Yes, he scored a KD and won a few rounds clearly but why was HE fighting like the champion as if he was already the champion??? Sir, you're title-less and fighting in Taylor's backyard....wake up and realize what's going on.

You BLEW it! Deal with it.

[Get em up]

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Fair point. I just found it phony to call Tank out knowing you’re going to 147 after this fight.

Also found it interesting that now some media people are saying his performance was so bad that he will not fight Crawford next.

Wonder if Crawford suddenly “resolves” the lawsuit to re sign with TR to fight Taylor?

Crawford may have burnt that bridge but I could see Haymon or Hearn trying to sign Bud for that fight because I think it has some appeal to fans and I think Bob believes Taylor could pull out the win

[The Big Dunn]

Nice deflection, I expected nothing less from you. Tank ducked Loma, Haney, Garcia, Teo, and Taylor. He's an overrated hype job who will follow his mentor's footsteps and never fight an elite level fighter at their best.

Taylor would have certainly fought Tank. It was only after this last fight he felt he has outgrown the division. I predicted the only way Tank or Teo would hold a title at 140 would be if Taylor either relinquished the titles or was stripped. Now we get to see which bum is lined up for Tank so he can win a title at 140. It's a joke, and his career is full of smoke and mirrors just like Floyd.

This thread isn’t about Tank and who he fought or didn’t fight. It’s about Taylor calling him out.

Staying on the topic of the thread is not deflection. Talking about Floyd and who Tank didn’t fight yet is deflection. You’re doing a bad job of trying to shift the thread.

For you to post he would fight Tank given what he did this week is just ******. You make yourself look like a tool.

He lied plain and simple. The call out was fake. Done just to attract attention to his fight. He had no plans of staying at 140. It was made clear the plan was beat Cattetall and go to 147 for Crawford. Clearly you aren’t paying attention.

If Tank or Teo gets a title shot because Taylor dropped the belts and moved up after lying about wanting to fight both at 140, why would you blame them?

It’s Josh and Arum who lied to you. No one else.