Who is the king of weightbullying? Crawford or Spence?

[PRINCEKOOL]

There are two issues though:

1. Same day weigh ins would leave fighters dehydrated because they would still cut as much weight as possible. It may not be healthy but that’s what fighters do to gain an advantage

2. Fighting at your walk around weight means you’re not in peak condition. That’s what training camps are for.

There was no culture if weight draining in boxing, during the same day weigh in rule.

Maybe the fighters similar to body builders would cut out carbohydrates to retain less water, and then carbohydrate load after the weigh in. But this technically is nowhere near to the intensity of backwardness 'Of today's weight draining culture'.

Fighters while subjected to the same day weigh in rule, won't be laying in a hot bath. They would be sitting in a sauna, or laying on the floor wrapping in towels. It will not happen, no boxing coach would allow it.

But if it did happen? Well those fighters would learn, because there would be consequences. The culture of weight draining in boxing, would be completely annihilated.

[Richard G]

"Weight bullying", a term used by casuals when they are trying to explain why their man lost eg 'he got weight bullied'. Where did that bullying happen, in the dressing room, around the back, in the toilet?

[-MEGA-]

How many fighters these days are 147 pounds or close to on fight night?

Is Canelo Alvarez **** on 160 or 168 pounds on fight night? Or is he 10-15 pounds over that weight limit, being the big man?

The day before weigh in rule, creates a illusion and promotes fighters to be opportunistic 'And exploit the rule with weight cuts'.

Fighters in the 70's and early 80's, where not doing big weight cuts and gaining masses of weight on fight night.

Every fighter loses weight in camp. All of em. Except maybe Floyd and pacquiao who were already maxed out.

Why not choose fighters who actually struggle to make weight and have lost there belts on the scale?

Why did you just selectively choose Spence and Crawford?Who were their last opponents and what were there walking around weights and fight night weight?

there was also a lot less weight classes in the 70’s and 80’s.

1/10 thread. Step your game up son

[PRINCEKOOL]

Every fighter loses weight in camp. All of em. Except maybe Floyd and pacquiao who were already maxed out.

Why not choose fighters who actually struggle to make weight and have lost there belts on the scale?

Why did you just selectively choose Spence and Crawford?Who were their last opponents and what were there walking around weights and fight night weight?

there was also a lot less weight classes in the 70’s and 80’s.

1/10 thread. Step your game up son

Every fighter does lose weight in camp, that is not my issue.

My issue is with fighters being 10-20 pounds heavier on fight night. Do you understand? At no time in the history of boxing, have fighters in mass been gaining additional weight on fight night 'This is all a bi-product of the weight draining culture'.

The point you are making, you think this has caught me out 'But it has done completely nothing, it is a completely redundant point' You are going to understand this by the end of this post.

Usain Bolt would lose weight in training season, Micheal Jordan would lose weight in training season, I see formula 1 drivers put weight on in the off season then lose weight when they enter into training 'So why are you telling me, that fighters lose weight in camp? You have made no point in this thread, which promotes weight draining in a positive light'.

On fight night, fighters should not be able to gain a additional 10-20 pounds in weight. They can only achieve this due to the exploitation of the day before weigh in rule.

Understand that this thread is not about Crawford or Spence Junior, I was not the poster who first brought those fighters into the debate. But because the thread starter used them to highlight the topic issue 'That is why I spoke about them'.

Overall the toxic and backwards culture of weight draining, dilutes the competition of boxing in the lower weight classes. Whether it be due to the health and safety of the fighters being put under threat, the fighters not being at the best, or a unfair unsporting advantage being gained. There is a not a year which goes by in boxing, where a boxer from the lower weight classes 'Does not use the issue of making the weight as some sort of excuse'.

Just recently Liam Williams stated that he had to lose weight too fast, Teofimo Lopez has now claimed he as too big for 135 pounds. All of these situations can be tackled and extinguished to a certain degree if 'The same day weigh in rule was re-introduced'.

Note: I have zero idea why anybody on this thread or forum, would quote me from this point on wards and try and disagree with me 'With a serious argument'. There is no counter argument that exist which can promote the benefits of 'The day before weigh in rule over the same day weigh in rule'.

Boxing ultimately is about the competition, and the day before weigh in rule does not improve the competition. Year after year the evidence is revealed that proves this point.

Note: And the heavyweight division is a open class division, so the day before or same day weigh in rule has little affect upon the fighters training and lifestyles. The heavyweight division is the purest form of competition in the sport, most competitive and best division.

[New England]

All of this is his own fault, he was trying to be the big man vs Mayweather 'And it all backed fired'. He is obviously trying to be the big man, because he did not believe skill for skill he was on Mayweather's level.

The day before weigh in rule, dilutes the competition in the lower weight classes. I don't think you get pure competition. I don't think all the fighters are fighting on a level playing field or sometimes they are not even in their best condition.

I am sure making and staying at 147 pounds, was not easy for Floyd Mayweather 'But he did it, and was never 10-20 pounds over the weight limit on fight night'.

are you kidding me? canelo was calling zero shots vs mayweather. he was a comparative nobody. it wasn't his idea to have the fight at 152 and it hurt him. again, i was there and i saw him with my own eyes and you can learn something or not.

[PRINCEKOOL]

are you kidding me? canelo was calling zero shots vs mayweather. he was a comparative nobody. it wasn't his idea to have the fight at 152 and it hurt him. again, i was there and i saw him with my own eyes and you can learn something or not.

What are you actually trying to prove right or wrong? I genuinely do not understand 'The are you kidding me response'.

Canelo Alvarez tried to be the big man, and it back fired. Even if the fight was at 154 pounds, Alvarez would of still be gaining 10-15-20 pounds in additional weight on fight night 'Because that is the game he runs'.

Every single fight hurts Canelo Alvarez, because he always does a big weight cut. But I will tell you one thing? Alvarez would not be able to use that trick if the 'Same day weigh in rule was re-introduced'.

I am done with this thread, I have said enough. I will let Citizen Kobra or some of the other posters who seem to be on the same page as me 'Take over'.

[-MEGA-]

Every fighter does lose weight in camp, that is not my issue.

My issue is with fighters being 10-20 pounds heavier on fight night. Do you understand? At no time in the history of boxing, have fighters in mass been gaining additional weight on fight night 'This is all a bi-product of the weight draining culture'.

The point you are making, you think this has caught me out 'But it has done completely nothing, it is a completely redundant point' You are going to understand this by the end of this post.

Usain Bolt would lose weight in training season, Micheal Jordan would lose weight in training season, I see formula 1 drivers put weight on in the off season then lose weight when they enter into training 'So why are you telling me, that fighters lose weight in camp? You have made no point in this thread, which promotes weight draining in a positive light'.

On fight night, fighters should not be able to gain a additional 10-20 pounds in weight. They can only achieve this due to the exploitation of the day before weigh in rule.

Understand that this thread is not about Crawford or Spence Junior, I was not the poster who first brought those fighters into the debate. But because the thread starter used them to highlight the topic issue 'That is why I spoke about them'.

Overall the toxic and backwards culture of weight draining, dilutes the competition of boxing in the lower weight classes. Whether it be due to the health and safety of the fighters being put under threat, the fighters not being at the best, or a unfair unsporting advantage being gained. There is a not a year which goes by in boxing, where a boxer from the lower weight classes 'Does not use the issue of making the weight as some sort of excuse'.

Just recently Liam Williams stated that he had to lose weight too fast, Teofimo Lopez has now claimed he as too big for 135 pounds. All of these situations can be tackled and extinguished to a certain degree if 'The same day weigh in rule was re-introduced'.

Note: I have zero idea why anybody on this thread or forum, would quote me from this point on wards and try and disagree with me 'With a serious argument'. There is no counter argument that exist which can promote the benefits of 'The day before weigh in rule over the same day weigh in rule'.

Boxing ultimately is about the competition, and the day before weigh in rule does not improve the competition. Year after year the evidence is revealed that proves this point.

Note: And the heavyweight division is a open class division, so the day before or same day weigh in rule has little affect upon the fighters training and lifestyles. The heavyweight division is the purest form of competition in the sport, most competitive and best division.

Ok, let’s try to address this slowly so you can understand. I’ll also try and keep it short.

First off, you’re calling it “weight draining” most people just call that losing weight or cutting weight.

secondly, in the 70’s and 80’s there were not nearly as many weight classes. (Something which you conveniently didn’t address) So yes, more people fought at or closer to their natural weight.

I think the real issue you are trying to address would be weight class bullying. Which I can see and agree with to an extent. However you must understand that boxing is a business and fighters want to make the most out of their careers and there’s only so many lanes one can take. The business aspect is a whole different story all together. But in short, if you’re a promoter you’re not gonna put your best guys all in one weight class together. You’re gonna spread them out and and maximize your money and control as many belts as possible. Also, if said fighter can still make the weight comfortably, why not use it to your advantage? Every little bit counts. The opposing fighter has all the same opportunities.

Now when you can no longer make said weight class healthy and safely, it’s time for you to move up, obviously.

imo examples of weight bullying which I would say are pretty rare would be khan vs Canelo or GGG vs brook. I’m sure there’s many more but these two come to mind off the top of my head. Those fights should not have even been sanctioned. Much more I could say but we’ll leave it at that.

One could say that fury weight bullied wilder by gaining more and more weight each fight. Even though it’s an open division as you said it’s still just using what you got to your advantage. Not too short a post I guess

[i love boxing]

Neither are weight bullies, they make the weight and are not drained, what is the issue?

[Tatabanya]

Neither Crawford, nor Spence.

The all-time king of weightbullying remains Arturo Gatti.

Never forget:

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-history/remembering-arturo-gattis-disturbing-almost-fatal-knockout-of-joey-gamache/171796

This ranks among the top sh́te, right after Luis Resto vs Billy Collins.