Who is the king of weightbullying? Crawford or Spence?

[PRINCEKOOL]

What the hell are you talking about and why do you quote me? My post has nothing to do with your point.

****** OP doesn't understand the difference between off season walk around weight and fight night weight.

And it seems that you are not very bright either.

Yes I know about same day weigh in in the past and so on. But it's has nothing to do with my response.

You claimed that a fighter can be 180 pounds, I presume when they are not fighting. This is correct, fighters can weigh whatever they want when they are not fighting.

But then you stated that, a fighter could be 160 pounds on fight night. Again you don't expand much, but you are most likely talking about a welter-weight fighter.

I don't personally think it is right, that a fighter who is claiming to be welter-weight can then weigh 160 pounds on fight night. At no other time in the history of boxing, could welter-weights, middle-weights, light-heavyweights on fight night 'Gain 20 pounds in additional weight'.

But due to the day before weigh in rule in these modern times, fighters can now basically claim to be something they are not. They may benefit for awhile, but eventually their fitness and performances will decrease.

My main issue with the day before weigh in rule, is that it dilutes the competition and creates a illusion 'The competition is not pure, or at its best'. There are plenty of stories and evidence to back up everything I have stated in this thread.

It is clear to me, that you don't really perceptually understand why anyone would have a issue with what you are saying. That is why you responded to me, with a smug slightly bewildered attitude.

There is nothing ****** about this thread, or the thread starters topic. Weight bullying or whatever people call it. Is genuine issue within boxing for a multitude of reasons. Whether it be fighters gaining a advantage, fighters putting their own long-term health at risk, or the competition not being at it's best 'All of these area's can be improved if the same day weigh in rule was re-introduced'.

[Butt stuff]

Yeah. My argument would be that neither of em really seek weight advantage now but Crawford used to - especially when he was fighting at 135. Spence is in fact unusual in that he's remained at 147 throughout his career despite turning pro in his early 20s. More common in US fighters to see em move up a division as they fill out into full maturity (between 22/23 and about 26/7) and then again at around 30/1 when the cut gets harder, although there really ain't any hard and fast generalisations.

I kinda addressed the issue of same day weigh ins in the post but sure it's an intractable problem... the issue you raise was of course the argument that led to weigh-ins being shifted to the previous day in the first place, although the unintended outcome was that it ultimately led to even more egregious weight cuts. My position remains though that it's no less important to protect the health of opponents that might end up fighting guys 5 or 10Lbs heavier than them in the ring than it is to protect fighters who choose to drain excessively to gain the slightest edge. Myself I'd say expanding the idea of longer term monitoring - similar to the 28 day weigh-ins but with more checkpoints - might be a solution but obviously would just become a massive pain in the ass for all involved and also run the risk of increasing numbers of fight cancellations.

In general the principle that should be applied, -within the limits of practicability - is that all fights should be conducted between dudes who are as close to the same weight as possible in the ring on the night without compromising their health. The exact details of how that's achieved is absolutely open to discussion and I reckon the sport would benefit greatly from having that particular debate.

I wonder if there’s a measurable limit for a fighter’s hydration level. So they could say a fighter should only be able to dehydrate to X% amount - if they need to go lower to meet a weight then they’re not sanctioned to fight in that division.

It would somewhat stop weight bullies early in their career and also dehydrated brains dangerously getting knocked around.

[RoadOfTheGypsy]

Cutting massive amounts of weight is not sustainable and is dangerous. Conor McGregor is a perfect example of this, he dominated the featherweight division, beating on smaller guys but as soon as he stepped up, the losses came. He is currently walking around like 190 so it will be interesting to see how his comeback goes.

Cutting weight makes you susceptible to getting KOd. Bring back same day weigh-ins and stop this madness. Fighters should fight at their walk around weight anyway.

[DaNeutral.]

Neither are weight bullies. I don't care how big they walk around at I only care about how they weigh the day before the fight. They ain't demanding catch weights

[PRINCEKOOL]

The weight bully controversy could easily be solved by same day weigh-ins or rehydration clauses.

If you're talking about weight bullies, didn't Fury come in at 277 pounds against Wilder last time out?

The heavyweight division is a open class division. It is the ultimate division. It is basically the division which decides, which fighter in the entire sport stands above all 'Who is the apex fighter'.

The lower weight classes are not open class divisions.

In the lower weight classes, the day before weigh in rule 'Creates more issues than just fighters, out weighing opponents'.

There is not a year which goes by, were a fighter does not use the excuse? That they had to lose too much weight, or they did not make the weight well 'And this is why they lost'.

This is how the day before weigh in rule, dilutes the competition.

Deontay Wilder may have been out weighed by Tyson Fury, but he was fully prepared 'And was not weight draining himself'. It is very difficult for Heavyweights to really have any excuses, unless they are genuinely injured. The heavyweight divisions is the purest form of competition in the sport.

[MONGOOSE66]

Both walk around 180 lbs in normal days. Already these punks fight once a year and except for a few camp months they've weighed in at 180 lbs. Porter looked like flyweight Pacquiao when he was with them in the ring. I think Crawford is worse because he also bullied poor 135 and 140 lbs fighters not just 147 lbs fighters. Spence is career welterweight.

Hatton use to weigh over 200 pounds in between fights. Guess he’s the biggest “weight bully” LOL.

[GhostofDempsey]

The heavyweight division is a open class division. It is the ultimate division. It is basically the division which decides, which fighter in the entire sport stands above all 'Who is the apex fighter'.

The lower weight classes are not open class divisions.

In the lower weight classes, the day before weigh in rule 'Creates more issues than just fighters, out weighing opponents'.

There is not a year which goes by, were a fighter does not use the excuse? That they had to lose too much weight, or they did not make the weight well 'And this is why they lost'.

This is how the day before weigh in rule, dilutes the competition.

Deontay Wilder may have been out weighed by Tyson Fury, but he was fully prepared 'And was not weight draining himself'. It is very difficult for Heavyweights to really have any excuses, unless they are genuinely injured. The heavyweight divisions is the purest form of competition in the sport.

I was just being snarky about Fury. But lower divisions need to fix this.

[whollisboxing]

Day before Weigh In's were introduced in the early 1980's.

So technically historically, most of these fighters you see today trying to be the big man on fight night? Would not be able to opportunistically behave in such ways.

Canelo Alvarez tried to be the big man vs Mayweather and it back fired.

Note: I think they should bring back 'Same day weigh in's'. It would purify the competition in the lower weight divisions, and actually promote better health and safety for the fighters.

That sounds great in theory but unfortunately fighters would still drain themselves to make weight.

the only difference is they would enter the ring dehydrated and thus risk serious injury.

[whollisboxing]

Cutting massive amounts of weight is not sustainable and is dangerous. Conor McGregor is a perfect example of this, he dominated the featherweight division, beating on smaller guys but as soon as he stepped up, the losses came. He is currently walking around like 190 so it will be interesting to see how his comeback goes.

Cutting weight makes you susceptible to getting KOd. Bring back same day weigh-ins and stop this madness. Fighters should fight at their walk around weight anyway.

There are two issues though:

1. Same day weigh ins would leave fighters dehydrated because they would still cut as much weight as possible. It may not be healthy but that’s what fighters do to gain an advantage

2. Fighting at your walk around weight means you’re not in peak condition. That’s what training camps are for.

[PRINCEKOOL]

That sounds great in theory but unfortunately fighters would still drain themselves to make weight.

the only difference is they would enter the ring dehydrated and thus risk serious injury.

Exactly, they would learn real quick 'That they cannot exploit the same day weigh in rule, to same way as the Day before weigh in rule'.

There is a culture within boxing now, and it starts in the amateur gyms 'Then gets even more intense in the professional game'.

The culture of weight draining. It is completely backwards.

But I also want to add? That not all modern day boxers have bought into this culture. I know Carl Froch did not, Floyd Mayweather and even Bernard Hopkins 'I am sure there are many more'.

The day before weigh in rule, is definitely only existing in boxing for entertainment. Entertainment at a cost.