Comments Thread For: Hearn Believes Fury-Whyte Purse Bid Could Be Delayed While WBC Legal Battle Plays Out

[NorvernRob]

These bids sully the boxing business so much, imo. Not the boxing business, but the business of boxing: two men at the top, both of whom are confident they can beat the other, settling it in the ring. I can understand both sides, obv, but its not a good look for Tysons corner, because then it opens it up to his saying "screw it, I wont fight then", which is characteristically un-Tyson Fury-like..and I understand Whytes side, because 80/20 is a insult, but if he's that supremely confident, he could take it but there are a LOT of hands in a fighters pockets. You never see a wealthy boxer with a 'poor' manager..and they do their job well, but how much of that 20% will go to Whyte? Who knows what percentage it is after he pays his corner. For Eddie Hearn to start 'threatening' the rematch clause is a cheap move, imo, too. I think this will be a very good fight, and I'm as certain as one can be that Tyson will win it, but theres always a chance.I think Dillian is chomping at the bit wanting it and his corner is delaying it.

Except it isn’t. For whatever reason, Fury is happy picking on bums in between his occasional big fights. There’s no run of decent fighters, no string of top-10 opponents. In the 7 years since he beat Wlad, the only name on his resume is Wilder.

Doesn’t matter what the haters say, the simple fact is that Whyte would be the 3rd best name on Fury’s resume - so if Whyte is as terrible as Fury’s fans claim, what does that say?

[Buggy bear]

I thought whytes arbitration was about getting a title shot? Now it seems to be about something else... Whyte is a perpetual whinger who doesn't really want this fight.

. He wants the fight but like a lot of these guys he’s got an inflated opinion of his worth , the guy is only relevant because he’s in such a poor era and has already over achieved anyway , he should take the money ,take the chance and relish the opportunity to dare to be great .
All he’s doing is pissing people off, stressing himself out and paying lawyers . 20% of a purse bid and a negotiated % of the revenue ( if he can get it ) would be much better than what he’s been getting .
trouble is Warren and arum know the game and know Whyte doesn't draw breath so will only pay him what he’s worth , especially after he pisses them off . It is complicated after the last few years with the WBC but he’s there now so settle with everyone take your chance and take the money .
something is only worth what you can get for it , no more than that , sometimes less is more Dillon

[SN!PER]

This is why we wanted Wallin vs. Whyte.

If Wallin was in this position, he would gladly take 80/20 and we'd already be buying tickets to the fight by now!

[NorvernRob]

. He wants the fight but like a lot of these guys he’s got an inflated opinion of his worth , the guy is only relevant because he’s in such a poor era and has already over achieved anyway , he should take the money ,take the chance and relish the opportunity to dare to be great .
All he’s doing is pissing people off, stressing himself out and paying lawyers . 20% of a purse bid and a negotiated % of the revenue ( if he can get it ) would be much better than what he’s been getting .
trouble is Warren and arum know the game and know Whyte doesn't draw breath so will only pay him what he’s worth , especially after he pisses them off . It is complicated after the last few years with the WBC but he’s there now so settle with everyone take your chance and take the money .
something is only worth what you can get for it , no more than that , sometimes less is more Dillon

Except Whyte has been headlining PPV’s his last couple of fights, so that doesn’t hold up does it?

[bullydean]

From what he said, it sounds like they think 80-20 is not fair and that they think they are being short-changed by the WBA. If, however, an indendent body (i.e. an arbitrator) was to decide 80-20 was fair, they would go along with that. I don't totally trust what Hearn is saying, but on the face of it this doesn't sound unreasonable or contradictory.

The arbitration is too force a 55/45 split from the WBC. If it doesn't get solved then it will go to the purse bid which guarantees a 80/20 in Fury's favor which Hearn just admitted is fine for both of them.

If they felt 20% was lowballing then Hearn and Whyte wouldn't be okay with it. If they're fine with it then there's no reason to hold up the fight.

[Boro]

Except Whyte has been headlining PPV’s his last couple of fights, so that doesn’t hold up does it?

His last 3 PPVs has been failures financially especially if the claims of him getting paid 4m+ for said fights are true
Rivas - 286k buys, 1st Povetkin fight - 177k buys, Povetkin rematch - remains Unreleased - so yes his self worth is inflated to the highest degree.

[Monty Fisto]

The arbitration is too force a 55/45 split from the WBC. If it doesn't get solved then it will go to the purse bid which guarantees a 80/20 in Fury's favor which Hearn just admitted is fine for both of them.

If they felt 20% was lowballing then Hearn and Whyte wouldn't be okay with it. If they're fine with it then there's no reason to hold up the fight.

Happy to be pointed to a source that shows otherwise, but I understand it as previously detailed. They have gone to a court of arbitration because they are not happy with the split. If the court of arbitration decides the split is correct, then they will abide by that decision. Unless the chances of the arbitration ruling in the WBC's favour is 100%, then this does not mean they are 'fine' with 80/20.

[Monty Fisto]

I’m only joking about 90/10. I just dislike Whyte and don’t want to see him get paid lol.

One would imagine that the WBC have already hired lawyers to go over all their paperwork etc and wouldn’t have gone for 80/20 without being confident of defeating any legal challenges.

Fair enough.

The WBC are probably hoping there is sufficient wiggle room in the wording of their rules to get away with what they are doing. I think the rules are slightly ambiguous (hence the wiggle room), but the most straightforward reading of them suggests they can't go worse than 30% to the challenger.

The rule is:

2.16 Division of Proceeds in a Purse Offer. The net purse offer (after deduction of all sanction
fees payable to the WBC hereunder) shall be divided as follows:
(a) first, 10% of the total shall be set aside as a bonus for the winner of the contest,
then, of the remainder,
(b) 70% of the remaining 90% shall be for the champion and 30% of the remaining
90% shall be for the challenger in title bouts; and
(c) 50% of the remaining 90% to each contender in the case of vacant titles or
elimination bouts;
provided, however, that the WBC Board of Governors, may by a majority vote, authorize a
modification of the division of purse offer proceeds between boxers in a purse offer in
particular cases, such as consideration of outstanding marketing value of one of the boxers,
as the WBC shall determine in its sole discretion. The modification of the split of the
remainder shall be limited to 60-40% and 55-45%, except in the most exceptional
circumstances, in which the split may be modified to 50-50% at the WBC's sole discretion.

The WBC will, no doubt, argue that they are simply operating within the purview of the line that says they can modify the purse in particular cases, such as consideration of oustanding marketing value of one of the boxer. In other words, Fury is so much more marketable than Whyte that we're giving him more. The final lines, though, seem to suggest the rule is there to be applied for the purposes of giving a more even split to a marketable challenger rather than as a way of cutting into the specified minimum 30%.

One for the lawyers!

[Fabes88]

Mandatory fight between Klitschko and Fury was ordered at 80/20.

Mandatory fight between Joshua and Usyk was ordered at 80/20.

Fury makes 15x more than Whyte. Why is 80/20 an insult?

Where is everyone getting 15x more from? When you google whytes purse against povetkin it’s a vastly different number than the 500k known liar Frank Warren has stated

[Boro]

Where is everyone getting 15x more from? When you google whytes purse against povetkin it’s a vastly different number than the 500k known liar Frank Warren has stated

based on the "200k" PPVs he done against Povetkin in the 1st fight, he's not got anywhere near the 4m they're suggesting, their first fight was 50:50 split after sky has took their split from the PPV (50%) so you'd got 2-2.5m to split between him Povetkin and pay the undercard and I doubt the rematch had more buys considering he got conclusively sparked.

So essentially his pay would be somewhere around £1m + whatever his guarantee was, probably the 300/400k they keep bringing up.