How Great Is Alvarez

[Inspired]

i think there's a lot of corruption and cherry picking. He's had a lot go in his favour and it's because he is mexican in a time when they're the biggest market in boxing. I rate the guy, but i don't think he is better than a prime GGG.
He avoids the tougher challenges when he can. He may have fought GGG and lost that first fight, an older GGG at that, but...
when he beat amir khan, i think errol spence jr and even porter would have beat that version of canelo.
I think he avoided andrade, charlo and is avoiding Benavidez, bivol and beterbiev right now.
The way he moved on kovalev pissed me off. didnt let the guy recover from the yarde fight.
Now he wants to fight mugabe.
prime Ward would have beat him too.

[man down]

Wellhead seems to walk through shots like nothing and delivers some serious damage. I really don't see anyone beating him. He's fun to watch Aldo.

[b Murphington]

He was getting outboxed by Kovalev in a very dull fight where nothing fighter threw many punches before his power bailed him out.

Callum Smith was a dominating win, but still nowhere near as excited as a Roman Gonzalez fight. Mayweather landed 290 punches against an all time great Marquez as an example, Canelo still was cautious and didn't throw much.

Yildirm? That guy's a nobody.

Saunders and Plant, same thing, he was losing plenty of rounds, all the rounds were close, and his power and their weak chins bailed Canelo out.

Kovalev was constantly on his bike and throwing pitty pat punches the whole fight. He wasn’t winning anything.

You can blame Callum Smith for that. He fought to survive. He wasn’t fighting to win. You need to understand. It’s hard to KO a guy when he’s playing keep away.

I’m in agreement with Yildirm, but Canelo did what was expected of him.

Against Saunders and Plant, he broke those guys down with his skill and patience. Plant won maybe like, 3 rds at the start. Canelo shows great patience. Towards the end of the bout, Canelo was banking rounds. Saunders won his fair share of rounds too, but make no mistake, Canelos class showed up in those bouts. And Saunders and Plant are solid guys. How can you knock a guy for handing 2 undefeated boxers their 1st 0, and by stoppage at that matter?

[TernceBudCharlo]

Kovalev was constantly on his bike and throwing pitty pat punches the whole fight. He wasn’t winning anything.

You can blame Callum Smith for that. He fought to survive. He wasn’t fighting to win. You need to understand. It’s hard to KO a guy when he’s playing keep away.

I’m in agreement with Yildirm, but Canelo did what was expected of him.

Against Saunders and Plant, he broke those guys down with his skill and patience. Plant won maybe like, 3 rds at the start. Canelo shows great patience. Towards the end of the bout, Canelo was banking rounds. Saunders won his fair share of rounds too, but make no mistake, Canelos class showed up in those bouts. And Saunders and Plant are solid guys. How can you knock a guy for handing 2 undefeated boxers their 1st 0, and by stoppage at that matter?

Undisputed is a great accomplishment I will not lie. BUT. He could have gone for undisputed at 160. That would have meant he had to fight Andrade and Charlo. 168 was a much easier division to be undisputed in and this is why canelo decided he was a 168 pounder. This is facts and you're being very dishonest if you deny it.

Plant was a guy who was getting rocked clean but Truax. Who is a nobody. BJS is a guy whose best win is Lemieux and struggled with WILLIE MONROE. Callum Smith Should have lost to John Ryder.

These are not great fighters period. Be honest. Stop lying and pretending they're all great.

[BodyBagz]

If he retires right now, 1st ballot HOFer
I don't have a number but at least 10+ spots ahead of GGG.

[b Murphington]

Undisputed is a great accomplishment I will not lie. BUT. He could have gone for undisputed at 160. That would have meant he had to fight Andrade and Charlo. 168 was a much easier division to be undisputed in and this is why canelo decided he was a 168 pounder. This is facts and you're being very dishonest if you deny it.

Plant was a guy who was getting rocked clean but Truax. Who is a nobody. BJS is a guy whose best win is Lemieux and struggled with WILLIE MONROE. Callum Smith Should have lost to John Ryder.

These are not great fighters period. Be honest. Stop lying and pretending they're all great.

Never said BJS and Plant or any of those guys were great. I said solid. Not great. So don’t put words in my mouth.

I agree there was unfinished business at 160. For whatever reason, Andrade is severely mismanaged his entire career has been a letdown. But both Andrade and Charlo would be tough tests for Canelo.

But now the bout with the nobody at Cruiserweight is nothing more than a quick grab at a belt at a high weight class, similar to what RJJ did.

But if he grabbed a belt at Light Heavyweight, he can have a crack at Benavitez too. Benavitez is gonna move up eventually he can barely make weight. And I didn’t like what Team Canelo said about denying Benavitez a shot. That’s translation as a duck and that matters to Canelos legacy.

I think Canelo is a great boxer, but he has unfinished business I agree. But you’re downplaying what he’s done thus far.

[Bermuda]

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- Bermuda

[paulf]

As good as they get.

One of the things I really like about him is that he started his career as a pretender. Absolute fraud. It wasn't his doing, but he was handed a WBC belt on a silver platter and then had an absolutely disgraceful run of defenses against ****ty, past prime welterweights that were brought up to 154.

But did he coast on that, like Chavez Jr? Rake in the cash, **** groupies, and be happy with all his fanboys telling him he's great? Nope.

He fought Mosley, Lopez and Trout back to back and dominated them with his boxing. Came up well short against the greatest of the era, Mayweather, but then fought stopped Angulo, eeked by prime Lara, KO'd Kirkland and outboxed Cotto.

That alone is a top shelf run. What he's been able to do since then is one word: special. Canelo is a special fighter.

My only issue is that, like most people, I had him losing both GGG fights. But I think GGG is the 2nd best middleweight of all time, after Robinson.

[Boxing fan1981]

Undisputed is a great accomplishment I will not lie. BUT. He could have gone for undisputed at 160. That would have meant he had to fight Andrade and Charlo. 168 was a much easier division to be undisputed in and this is why canelo decided he was a 168 pounder. This is facts and you're being very dishonest if you deny it.

Plant was a guy who was getting rocked clean but Truax. Who is a nobody. BJS is a guy whose best win is Lemieux and struggled with WILLIE MONROE. Callum Smith Should have lost to John Ryder.

These are not great fighters period. Be honest. Stop lying and pretending they're all great.

You dissect his opponents and downplay his competition, all while being a fan and arguing Terrence Crawford is p4p#1.

You don’t hold Crawford to the same rigorous resume scolding you do with Canelo, so I’ll do it for you.

Let’s do this with your fighter now.

Crawford beat:

Porter, a guy that’s taken many losses, who some actually had winning before he got knocked out. He’s a good fighter, and sadly, the best win on Crawford’s weak resume. Maybe he’s a HOF? Probably not.

Kell Brook- Dude had his eye socket destroyed, what kind of an opponent is this?? He should have retired before this fight.

Amir Khan- Fought him years later after Canelo savagely knocked him out.

Jose Benavidez- One legged guy was actually looking pretty good against Crawford before his legs started going out and got stopped late in the fight. This was the fight for me that convinced me Crawford wasn’t really all that.

Also beat; Jeff Horn, Lundy, Dulorme, Molina, blah blah blah, average joes, a bunch of nothing special fighters. It’s no wonder you think he’s so good.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Never said BJS and Plant or any of those guys were great. I said solid. Not great. So don’t put words in my mouth.

I agree there was unfinished business at 160. For whatever reason, Andrade is severely mismanaged his entire career has been a letdown. But both Andrade and Charlo would be tough tests for Canelo.

But now the bout with the nobody at Cruiserweight is nothing more than a quick grab at a belt at a high weight class, similar to what RJJ did.

But if he grabbed a belt at Light Heavyweight, he can have a crack at Benavitez too. Benavitez is gonna move up eventually he can barely make weight. And I didn’t like what Team Canelo said about denying Benavitez a shot. That’s translation as a duck and that matters to Canelos legacy.

I think Canelo is a great boxer, but he has unfinished business I agree. But you’re downplaying what he’s done thus far.

He is a great fighter compared to today's fighters but this thread I thought was about whether he's an all time great, I don't think he's proven that yet