Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: I Don't Know Why Other Heavyweights Avoid Me

[Bonduu]

Ortiz by now should have learnt how to speak a English after spending years in the US perhaps he would have taken fights instead of been shafted by his promoters, such a dumb ldiot, between what is his best win? Boogeyman my foot, he avoids fights like a plague, hope the prince puts this nonsense on his place.

[M312]

Ortiz is irrelevant.

Of course he can get an opponent, anyone, but hasn't.

Hard to build momentum when your 50 years old and inactive.

Presumably, he's hoping for Wilder/someone to gift him another fight.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Wilder faced Ortiz a second time after seeing him struggle with Hammer where he was almost dropped in the second round and bloodied up against a Journeyman with limited power . In fact he made the Ortiz fight right away after it .

Wheather you believe Wilder took the fight because he thought Ortiz was much older is on you it’s basically common sense ,he admitted it if you watched the post fight presser .


Tyson Fury not facing Whyte has nothing to do with Wilder . If it was an easy fight you know Fury would take it unless he’s seen something or knows something we don’t heading into a Whyte fight because stylistically it’s a dangerous fight for him .


The boogeyman that declines fights ,runs off mandates positions ? If anything most don’t fight him because he doesn’t make actual offers he sits around waiting to be called out which again rarely works and a high risk low reward to guys outside the top 5 at least .

I hope you are drinking some spiked egg nog or something right now because normal people don’t believe Ortiz is any type of boogeyman so I’ll give you a pass since it’s X Mas ,I thought you were smarter then that .

At the time when Deontay Wilder fought Ortiz, he was a very high risk fight for all top heavyweights 'He was a boogeyman'. That was the universal perception of Ortiz before that fight in the boxing world. I was reading these forums back then, and also watching plenty of boxing media 'That is the only reason why, I am saying all of this'.

And the fact remains, is that Deontay Wilder was the only fighter who fought him twice 'Underrated wins'. It is irrelevant what he thought in his mind or his reasons for taking the fight 'But what is relevant is that he stepped inside the ring and knocked him out twice'.

You are trying to devalue Wilder's win, because he believed he could beat Ortiz 'I don't think that is a good enough reason to devalue his wins'.

Deontay Wilder is the only fighter still to this day, to knock out Luis Ortiz 'That is all that matters'.

I was bringing up Tyson Fury's situation, to prove that narratives can be misleading. The narrative is that Whyte is a easy fight, or that he is not worthy of a title fight because he has been beaten before by Joshua and Povetkin 'This is the narrative being pushed by Fury's fans, or Whyte detractors right now'.

Fighters know fighters, and they know where their real competition resides.

Dillian Whyte is a tough fight for this version of Tyson Fury, and Luiz Ortiz was a boogeyman and a extremely solid win for Deontay Wilder 'At the time that Wilder fought and beat him'.

Once upon a time, deep down fighters in the Heavyweight division knew 'Luiz Ortiz was a dangerous fighter, very high risk fight'. But they could always hide behind the negative stereotypes and narratives that surrounded him as a veteran fighter 'They could always use these narratives to not bother facing him, which is apart of the boxing show business sometimes, that is just the game'.

Right now, I have no idea of what Ortiz's condition is.

[RoadOfTheGypsy]

Heavyweights avoid Ortiz because he is a dangerous fighter, high risk low reward.

Ortiz is dangerous even in his 50s and could give some of these guys a serious challenge.

Anyone who knows boxing or has boxed themselves realizes that Ortiz is a great boxer

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At the time when Deontay Wilder fought Ortiz, he was a very high risk fight for all top heavyweights 'He was a boogeyman'. That was the universal perception of Ortiz before that fight in the boxing world. I was reading these forums back then, and also watching plenty of boxing media 'That is the only reason why, I am saying all of this'.

And the fact remains, is that Deontay Wilder was the only fighter who fought him twice 'Underrated wins'. It is irrelevant what he thought in his mind or his reasons for taking the fight 'But what is relevant is that he stepped inside the ring and knocked him out twice'.

You are trying to devalue Wilder's win, because he believed he could beat Ortiz 'I don't think that is a good enough reason to devalue his wins'.

Deontay Wilder is the only fighter still to this day, to knock out Luis Ortiz 'That is all that matters'.

I was bringing up Tyson Fury's situation, to prove that narratives can be misleading. The narrative is that Whyte is a easy fight, or that he is not worthy of a title fight because he has been beaten before by Joshua and Povetkin 'This is the narrative being pushed by Fury's fans, or Whyte detractors right now'.

Fighters know fighters, and they know where their real competition resides.

Dillian Whyte is a tough fight for this version of Tyson Fury, and Luiz Ortiz was a boogeyman and a extremely solid win for Deontay Wilder 'At the time that Wilder fought and beat him'.

Once upon a time, deep down fighters in the Heavyweight division knew 'Luiz Ortiz was a dangerous fighter, very high risk fight'. But they could always hide behind the negative stereotypes and narratives that surrounded him as a veteran fighter 'They could always use these narratives to not bother facing him, which is apart of the boxing show business sometimes, that is just the game'.

Right now, I have no idea of what Ortiz's condition is.

I don’t have to devalue Wilders wins because I’ve stated only facts before he fought Ortiz twice ,it’s devalued in itself .

Ortiz has boxed one round thats it in over a year now . Everyone knows he was past his best well after 2018 anyway his fights show that dont they ?


Ortiz should win over Martin if he does don’t you think it’s his best win ever at his age ? Against a sizeable puncher who’s better then anyone he’s fought in 6 years outside Wilder ?

Fighting Ortiz comes with a curse ,if you win you won’t get full credit and if you lose you lost to a watered down Ortiz ,that’s why no one calls him out ,they aren’t afraid of him how can he be the boogeyman turning down fights ? It’s not even possible he literally has the worst resume for a title contender I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen a lot he turned down offers with A.J and Whyte when under Match Room briefly ,no one ducked him before he fought Wilder the boogeyman monicker is a made up narrative that he gets away with because of someone says something enough times it spreads and humans are the most gullible intelligent lifeforms in existence Wilders the hardest puncher ever and Fury’s the greatest to ever lacem up

If he loses next week it’s not going to look good at all telling everyone continuously everyone is running from you ,his best win which will then be 7 years ago who is Jennings . That statistic alone should tell you the fighter himself isn’t chasing the fights no one can be that avoided .

[BangEM]

Why are people giving this ancient bum airtime? ****ty as a pro and as an amateur.

He ducked everyone by hiding it behind his inability to speak English and his career was built on YouTube and PBC stooges in the media for Wilder - not in the boxing ring. FOH.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I don’t have to devalue Wilders wins because I’ve stated only facts before he fought Ortiz twice ,it’s devalued in itself .

Ortiz has boxed one round thats it in over a year now . Everyone knows he was past his best well after 2018 anyway his fights show that dont they ?


Ortiz should win over Martin if he does don’t you think it’s his best win ever at his age ? Against a sizeable puncher who’s better then anyone he’s fought in 6 years outside Wilder ?

Fighting Ortiz comes with a curse ,if you win you won’t get full credit and if you lose you lost to a watered down Ortiz ,that’s why no one calls him out ,they aren’t afraid of him how can he be the boogeyman turning down fights ? It’s not even possible he literally has the worst resume for a title contender I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen a lot he turned down offers with A.J and Whyte when under Match Room briefly ,no one ducked him before he fought Wilder the boogeyman monicker is a made up narrative that he gets away with because of someone says something enough times it spreads and humans are the most gullible intelligent lifeforms in existence Wilders the hardest puncher ever and Fury’s the greatest to ever lacem up

If he loses next week it’s not going to look good at all telling everyone continuously everyone is running from you ,his best win which will then be 7 years ago who is Jennings . That statistic alone should tell you the fighter himself isn’t chasing the fights no one can be that avoided .

You have stated irrelevant facts, you have quoted some banter between Wilder & Ortiz 'Which in the whole greater scheme of things means nothing'.

I fully understand why you have done it, and how what Wilder has said 'Can be used against him, but really they are not good enough reasons to devalue his performance'.

Muhammad Ali stated that George Foreman was slow, and moved like a mummy 'Muhammad Ali also mocked Foreman's power'. It was just banter, means nothing 'Muhammad Ali still faced and beat Foreman via stoppage'.

Deontay Wilder faced Luiz Ortiz when none of the other top fighters would face him, and Wilder knocked him out twice.

Back when Wilder fought Ortiz, forget what you think 'Fighters know fighters, and they know their competition'. Luiz Ortiz was seen as a dangerous fighter, among fighters and promoters 'And even within the boxing community'. I can remember fighters such as Tony Bellew, stating that there where two bogey men in the division when he was about 'David Haye & Luiz Ortiz'.

Right now, obviously those perceptions have probably changed due to inactivity and the game just moving on. Right now Ortiz is not a bogey man, but? Fighters are still apprehensive of facing him.

And they are apprehensive because he is potentially still a very capable fighter, but there are many negative stereotypes which surround him 'Due to being a veteran fighter'. So as others have stated on here, business wise 'It is a high risk, low reward fight' if you care about what the fans think etc

I don't personally think right now, Luiz Ortiz is a big threat to the top fighters. But what I was putting across in this thread ? Was that Once upon a time, Luiz Ortiz was a major threat, and he was a bogey man etc

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You have stated irrelevant facts, you have quoted some banter between Wilder & Ortiz 'Which in the whole greater scheme of things means nothing'.

I fully understand why you have done it, and how what Wilder has said 'Can be used against him, but really they are not good enough reasons to devalue his performance'.

Muhammad Ali stated that George Foreman was slow, and moved like a mummy 'Muhammad Ali also mocked Foreman's power'. It was just banter, means nothing 'Muhammad Ali still faced and beat Foreman via stoppage'.

Deontay Wilder faced Luiz Ortiz when none of the other top fighters would face him, and Wilder knocked him out twice.

Back when Wilder fought Ortiz, forget what you think 'Fighters know fighters, and they know their competition'. Luiz Ortiz was seen as a dangerous fighter, among fighters and promoters 'And even within the boxing community'. I can remember fighters such as Tony Bellew, stating that there where two bogey men in the division when he was about 'David Haye & Luiz Ortiz'.

Right now, obviously those perceptions have probably changed due to inactivity and the game just moving on. Right now Ortiz is not a bogey man, but? Fighters are still apprehensive of facing him.

And they are apprehensive because he is potentially still a very capable fighter, but there are many negative stereotypes which surround him 'Due to being a veteran fighter'. So as others have stated on here, business wise 'It is a high risk, low reward fight' if you care about what the fans think etc

I don't personally think right now, Luiz Ortiz is a big threat to the top fighters. But what I was putting across in this thread ? Was that Once upon a time, Luiz Ortiz was a major threat, and he was a bogey man etc

You”re lying .

Ortiz ran off a mandatory spot in 2017 for A.J and was offered a handful of fights after that. If you can’t acknowledge that no use continuing the topic of a boogeyman which once again is ridiculous and makes you as a poster look less intelligent.

You are claiming he was avoided also for 7 years soon as the boogeyman and Martin is the only guy to accept a fight with him ? I’d say that’s a true insane person posting if I hadn’t read your posts and know you are a regular on here .

[lion33lit]

These guys ain’t callin out the smooth heavy-handedl southpaw Boogie Man, it’s because they all believe he’s still a little too scary when it comes to potentially derailing their money hungry efforts.

High risk low reward is still the name of the game for guys like Joshua & Fury. No way do they pack Wilders cahoonas when it comes to proving themselves against someone who’s as technically sound as King Kong.

They’d rather prove themselves against the Chisoras & Shwarzs of the world. Heck, even Joshua thought he had a soft touch in choosing Cookie Monster overweight Ruiz for his away from commercialized home debut on American soil - while avoiding Ortiz.…

Fury is in NO WAY a better boxer than Ortiz, he’s just taller younger and cheats a heck of a lot more! #boarmeat #hold&hit #PEDs #cashoutthenrideoffintothesunset!!

[REDEEMER]

These guys ain’t callin out the smooth heavy-handedl southpaw Boogie Man, it’s because they all believe he’s still a little too scary when it comes to potentially derailing their money hungry efforts.

High risk low reward is still the name of the game for guys like Joshua & Fury. No way do they pack Wilders cahoonas when it comes to proving themselves against someone who’s as technically sound as King Kong.

They’d rather prove themselves against the Chisoras & Shwarzs of the world. Heck, even Joshua thought he had a soft touch in choosing Cookie Monster overweight Ruiz for his away from commercialized home debut on American soil - while avoiding Ortiz.…

Fury is in NO WAY a better boxer than Ortiz, he’s just taller younger and cheats a heck of a lot more! #boarmeat #hold&hit #PEDs #cashoutthenrideoffintothesunset!!

Call outs don’t make fights happen real negotiations do .

Team Ortiz admitted turning down the A.J fight only after being caught lying which wasn’t new to them making up stories about being avoided .

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