Wladimir Klitschko

[Poet682006]

Wlad's Jab is sharp accurate and very destructive. Wladamir can win a fight alone on his Jab. The Great Emmanuel Steward has said Wladamir has one of the best Jabs of all time.

Manny Steward has traditionally been one of boxing's biggest bull**** artists when it comes to talking about fighters he personally trained.

Wladamir picks his punchers, and dosen't like to waste anything. Instead of throwing 50 punchers around and missing with 35. Wladamir would rather 20 punchers and all of them land.

Please name the fight where Wlad landed 100% of his punches......or even landed 60% of them.

Ali struggled with Norton's Jab. Wladamir would use his huge height adavnatge over Ali. I feel Wladamir is a styel nightmare for Ali.

Norton's style of fighting was crafted to give slick boxer's like Ali fits: Wlad doesn't fight anything remotely like Norton. Sonny Liston had what is practically universally regarded as a top 2 all-time at Heavyweight PLUS a sizable reach advantage on Ali and guess what? Ali had NO trouble with Liston's jab.

I'd say Walcott and Patterson with both ATG Fighters and Heavyweights. And Spinks in his prime was a good Heavyweight, who dont become the first man to defeat Larry holmes at Heavyweight if youre anything less.

As much as I like Floyd Patterson you're the FIRST person I've ever seen suggest he was an ATG Heavyweight. Walcott I've seen disputed. As for Spinks. winning two disputed decisions over a past-prime, out of shape, and unmotivated Larry Holmes doesn't get you ATG status at Heavyweight.

Like I said lots of ATG Fighters have had losses to lesser fighters. Against Purrity Wladamir due tired to due not being exprinence enough to pace himself down the fight.

And you addressed NONE of the points I made.

Sanders is a huge puncher and caught Wladamir off gurad. He avaneged the brewser lost.

You mean he got a rematch from an out of shape Brewster who was just looking for a paycheck.

**** Tiger lost to the likes of Alan Dean(7-6), and Willie Armstrong(29-15) all worst fighters than who Wladamir lost to, but both come back, which is what matters.

Wlad isn't on his own in losing to lesser fighters like I have proved.

See the points you never addressed in the earlier post.

So why is it when you are a world class amature, Promoters want to sign you then? If it means nothing in the pro's.

It means you're a prospect, nothing more. Amatuer and professional boxing are two different sports. Tyrell Biggs and Henry Tillman were great amatuers and poor proffesionals. Mike Tyson was a mediocre amatuer and a great professional.

Lets all be honest Joe Louis's era wasnt that strong of Heavyweights either. He defended his title against Jouryman and over the hill former champions.

Better than today's divison.

Don't tell Jimmy Wilde, Stanley Ketchel, or Carlos Zarate, who's punch was there main weapon and got them to ATG status.

Chin is a more important attribute than punching power; as is defense, handspeed, stamina, punching accuracy, and a number of others I could list.

Lots of ATG fighters never fought fellow or beat ATG Fighters including Jeff Chandler and Duilio Loi.

Who said anything about fighting ATGs? It's rare for there to be two in-prime ATG Heavyweights to be active at the same time. I'm talking about fighting quality opposition, it doesn't have to be against ATGs. Wlad hasn't fought quality opposition ATG or otherwise.

My point they still lost to lesser fighters than themselves, even when they fully trained.

See the previous point you never addressed.

The same could be said for Joe Louis's era aswell.

See the previous point.

Wlad does fit into that.

No he doesn't.

I have heard Foster praised plenty on this forum.

And I've seen Foster ranked in the bottom half of a lot of poster's top 10 Light-Heavy lists precisely because of his lack of competition.

Maybe not as good, but in the same situation, not being liked when Champion.

Again, Wlad isn't in their class as a fighter.

Poet

[Stoppage]

In my opinion Wladimir Klitschko can hold his own against the ATG's. He's a smart fighter because he uses his jab to keep opponents at bay. And he's got the best jab out there right now in the heavyweight division.

Although I don't think he'll be pound for pound one of the greatest of all-time, he's certainly one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time.

People will see this when he retires.

[Poet682006]

He gassed which is why he fights at a slower pace. The Brewster fight was total bull****, he was obviously drugged or sick. Sanders is one of the hardest and quickest hitting heavyweights in recent memory.

He doesn't average ten punches a round. He sets records for number of jabs thrown.

He gassed in the 11th round against Purrity and learned from that mistake. He "gassed" in the 5th!!!! round against Brewster which was total BS. He was either drugged or sick.

Typical Klit nuthuggers with the "He was drugged!" excuses

Poet

[Klitschko2011]

Is that really him or is this a joke?

that's the real life poet

his youtube username is the same as his boxingscene username

poet already admitted it

heres another one of his gay ass poems

look at him, he's a fat, disgusting, yellow toothed ****

[Poet682006]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]It may not be his fault the division is weak but weak opposition will always cost a fighter's historical ranking. Moreover if a division is weak I make it a point of NOT watching that division until it turns around unless it's a title fight and even then I'm under no illusions as to what I'm watching.

So do you refuse to watch Jeff Chandler, Bob Foster, and Joe Louis, who's divisions were all weak?

What part of "UNLESS IT'S A TITLE FIGHT" did you have difficulty understanding?

Poet

[Poet682006]

Henry Cooper knocked Ali out and it took cheating an illegal substance to wake Ali up 5 minutes later. Ali stood up from his corner and tried to hit Dundee and run away because he thought he was about to get drafted. Henry Cooper weight 188 lbs for the fight, had a below 50% ko rate and had a 68'' reach. No way can you say Ali would definitely beat Wlad. Dude got knocked down by Chuck Wepner.

I will give you that Ali was better at having his fights fixed and winning with bribed and threatened judges than anyone in history. Also if you think Wlad's jab is pawing you really know nothing about boxing and should just give up.

Awwww, Tunney's alt KNN has a new account

Poet

[Naps]

In my opinion Wladimir Klitschko can hold his own against the ATG's. He's a smart fighter because he uses his jab to keep opponents at bay. And he's got the best jab out there right now in the heavyweight division.

Although I don't think he'll be pound for pound one of the greatest of all-time, he's certainly one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time.

People will see this when he retires.

Which particular fights of his help you come to this conclusion?

[Poet682006]

that's the real poet

his youtube username is the same as his boxingscene username

poet already admitted it

heres another one of his gay ass poems

look at how ugly and gay he is

Awwww, is Klitlicker2009 all butt hurt again? What's the matter? Did you have another batch of your alts banned again?

Poet

[Boxing_12]

Manny Steward has traditionally been one of boxing's biggest bull**** artists when it comes to talking about fighters he personally trained.

Again, Wlad isn't in their class as a fighter.

Poet

I cant even be bothered aruging with you. As your never going to accept Wladamir due to not liking his style.

And BTW is that really you in those videos that got posted up? Because I don't think it is you, the person in that video seems like a bit of a joke and a laughing stock, who they just put up to annoy you, am i right?

[SOPH~ REP.]

In my opinion Wladimir Klitschko can hold his own against the ATG's. He's a smart fighter because he uses his jab to keep opponents at bay. And he's got the best jab out there right now in the heavyweight division.

Although I don't think he'll be pound for pound one of the greatest of all-time, he's certainly one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time.

People will see this when he retires.

Stoppage Please STOP IT Wlad vs Ali Loss rd4 vs Fraser Loss rd1 vs Foreman loss rd1 Joe Louis loss rd2 Rocky lose rd1 Norton lose rd3 . WHhhhaT.