Wladimir Klitschko

[Poet682006]

Wlad does not have a pawing jab you frigging ******.

Yes he does you pathetic nuthugger.

Poet

[Naps]

Who is the biggest name on Wlads resume?

[Poet682006]

Who is the biggest name on Wlads resume?

Ross Purrity

[Brother Blues]

The Klitoris brothers are what they are...good,solid fighters,who have have been blessed with good timing.

In an era devoid of even good fighters,they are the best...

But...[fill in fighters name here] would knock them both out.

[Naps]

Ross Purrity

Hahaha, he didn't even have the balls to avenge the mighty Purrity!! hahaha

[Dan Cohen]

Who is the biggest name on Wlads resume?

It is hardly his fault that there are no superstars available to fight. By your logic, Ali would suck if he fought today because there would be no good competition.

[Naps]

It is hardly his fault that there are no superstars available to fight. By your logic, Ali would suck if he fought today because there would be no good competition.

I'm not blaming him, just saying that he is unproven, therefore can't be considered as a great.

Imagine what a prime Lewis would have done to him!

[Poet682006]

It is hardly his fault that there are no superstars available to fight. By your logic, Ali would suck if he fought today because there would be no good competition.

However it IS his fault he lost to Ross ****ing Purrity. His suspect chin IS his responsibilty, as is his lousy stamina (which is precisely why he averages 10 punches a round: so he doesn't gas out by the midway point of the fight).

Poet

[MANGLER]

Wlad is dominatin his division. Not his fault it's weak. It just is. Dude rebuilt himself after 2 nasty KO's to become the top HW and the lineal champ. He ain't always excitin to watch, but he is the man in his division right now. He wins 1 sidedly and by KO most of the time. Can't really ask for more than that.

[Boxing_12]

Wlad paws with jab: Hardly what I would call "best" in any kind of historical context. It seems better than it is because of the pathetic jabs that populate the Heavyweight division in this era.

Wlad's Jab is sharp accurate and very destructive. Wladamir can win a fight alone on his Jab. The Great Emmanuel Steward has said Wladamir has one of the best Jabs of all time.

Caution is one thing, a non-existent work rate is quite another. Wlad throws ten pawing jabs in a round and right hand every two or three rounds and essentially bores his opponents into quitting. Pep, Whitaker, Johnson, Rosenbloom, and Johnson were all cautious WHILE THROWING A DECENT NUMBER OF PUNCHES. In Whitaker and Pep's case they threw a pretty high volume of punches and in Hopkins' case his work rate didn't slow to a crawl until he got into his mid to late 30s.

Wladamir picks his punchers, and dosen't like to waste anything. Instead of throwing 50 punchers around and missing with 35. Wladamir would rather 20 punchers and all of them land.

Why not? The reach is nearly the same, Ali has much faster hands and throws it a lot more frequently.

Ali struggled with Norton's Jab. Wladamir would use his huge height adavnatge over Ali. I feel Wladamir is a style nightmare for Ali.

Patterson was not an ATG, Spinks was not an ATG at Heavyweight (he was at LIGHT-Heavyweigh), and Walcott is a borderline case.

I'd say Walcott and Patterson with both ATG Fighters and Heavyweights. And Spinks in his prime was a good Heavyweight, who dont become the first man to defeat Larry Holmes at Heavyweight if you're anything less.

Like he made it look easy against Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster?

Like I said lots of ATG Fighters have had losses to lesser fighters. Against Purrity, Wladamir lost due to being tired and due to not being exprinence enough to pace himself down the fight.
Sanders is a huge puncher and caught Wladamir off gurad. He avaneged the brewser lost. **** Tiger lost to the likes of Alan Dean(7-6), and Willie Armstrong(29-15) all worst fighters than who Wladamir lost to, but both come back, which is what matters.

Wlad isn't on his own in losing to lesser fighters like I have proved.

Meaningless in the pros

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So why is it when you are a world class amature, Promoters want to sign you then? If it means nothing in the pro's.

Read:

Journeymen and over-the-hill former champs

Lets all be honest Joe Louis's era wasnt that strong of Heavyweights either. He defended his title against Jouryman and over the hill former champions.

The least important of the major attributes that make up a fighter

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Don't tell Jimmy Wilde, Stanley Ketchel, or Carlos Zarate that, who's punch was there main weapon and got them to ATG status.

He hasn't fought any quality opposition in that time frame either

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Lots of ATG fighters never fought fellow or beat ATG Fighters including Jeff Chandler and Duilio Loi.

Those fighters also fought a lot more frequently, often on last minute notice, fought fellow ATGs in 4 sometimes 5 or 6 fight series, and in the case of Walcott sometimes fought half-starved

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My point they still lost to lesser fighters than themselves, even when they fully trained.

Because there's no significant Heavies out there

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The same could be said for Joe Louis's era aswell.

Quality of opposition always factors into how a fighter is viewed. The only exceptions to that rule are fighters who are so good it's obvious to anyone watching them. Wlad doesn't fit into that catagory

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Wlad does fit into that.

On the contrary:

Foster is frequently downgraded by knowledable posters on this site precisely because of his lack of quality opponents

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I have heard Foster praised plenty on this forum.

Wlad is no Larry Holmes or Ezzard Charles

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Maybe not as good, but in the same situation, not being liked when Champion.

No we won't.

Well that just shows to me, that no matter what Wladamir does, you will always never accpet him due to not liking his stye. But thankfully you don't judge who is a ATG or not.