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  • Boxing_12
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    Wladimir Klitschko

    I wanted to start this thread to clear some things. Wladamir is known as one of the worst Heavyweights Champions of all time, and virtually all think he would get destriyed by past greats and that he is boring and is in a weak era.

    I find it hard to belive people think this.

    Wladamir has one of the best Jabs of all time, his Jab sharp, accurate and he can win a fight alone with it. People say he's caution first, and dosent go for the kill, even do he has knocked out 47 out of his 53 wins. But yet people forget to mention that fighters like Jack Johnson, Bernard Hopkins, and Maxie Roosbloom were all caution first fighters, but they never get heat for it.

    The art of boxing is to hit and not be hit, and Wladamir does this perfect. He destroys his opponents, and dosent take punishemnt in the process. What is wrong with this? Fighters like Willie Pep and Pernell Whitaker done the exact same thing.

    Then people say oh all the ATG heavyweights would destroy him. But I honestly do belive Wladamir would beat some ATG Heavyweights and cause them problems. I think Wlad would be a nightmare for Ali, Ali cound't out jab him, and if Wlad was cautious cound't KO HIM. I think Wlad would hold his own in any Heavyweight Era, and probaly be a champion. I also think Wlad would defeat Floyd Patterson, Rocky Marciano, Michael Spinks, Jersey Joe Walcott, and cause Larry Holmes problems. I think Wlad's size advantages over the likes of Marciano, Spinks, and Patterson would be all to much for them to handle, as all wound't even be Heavyweights today.

    Then people say he is in a weak era of Heavyweights. Cound't there be a chance that Wladamir is making it look easy? Altough it's by no means the strongest, in todays Heavyweights, there are some world class amatures, seasoned pro's and some big punchers.

    Out of 56 fights Wladamir has only lost 3. Wlad hasn't been beaten in 5 years and is on a 10 fight win streak, and has made 8 defences of his Heavyweight crown and is the prime of his career.

    People also throw his 3 lost in his face. Does everyone realise that lots of ATG fighters have had losses to lessers fighter including Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott, Manuel Ortiz and lots more. But it's about how you come back, and Wlad has comeback great.

    Wlad has done all any champion can ever do, and that’s beat the best of his era. There are no significant heavies out there that he’s ducked, and for the last five years he’s decisively beaten whoever has been put in front of him A few more years at this level and I think it’ll be hard to deny Wlad his place at the top table.

    He’s hardly the first champion to be boring or to fight in an era lacking top quality opposition. How many prime great light-heavies did Bob Foster beat, for instance? Yet no one disputes Foster’s greatness.

    Lots of Heavyweights Champions never got the credit they deserved when they were champions etc Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes and Ezzard Charles. All Wlad can do is continue to dominante and carry on to make defences of his Title, and people will have to Accept him as a ATG.
  • bojangles1987
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    Wlad does what he does very well, but he would not be nearly as successful and would get slaughtered against ATG heavyweights with head movement to avoid his jab. He also has a proven to be mediocre chin that fighters with decent pop would destroy and have. His size would make him a decent gatekeeper and potential champion at best in a strong era of heavyweights.

    BTW, Lennox Lewis would Wlad the f*** out.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Wladamir has one of the best Jabs of all time, his Jab sharp, accurate and he can win a fight alone with it.
      Wlad paws with jab: Hardly what I would call "best" in any kind of historical context. It seems better than it is because of the pathetic jabs that populate the Heavyweight division in this era.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      People say he's caution first, and dosent go for the kill, even do he has knocked out 47 out of his 53 wins. But yet people forget to mention that fighters like Jack Johnson, Bernard Hopkins, and Maxie Roosbloom were all caution first fighters, but they never get heat for it.

      The art of boxing is to hit and not be hit, and Wladamir does this perfect. He destroys his opponents, and dosent take punishemnt in the process. What is wrong with this? Fighters like Willie Pep and Pernell Whitaker done the exact same thing.
      Caution is one thing, a non-existent work rate is quite another. Wlad throws ten pawing jabs in a round and right hand every two or three rounds and essentially bores his opponents into quitting. Pep, Whitaker, Johnson, Rosenbloom, and Johnson were all cautious WHILE THROWING A DECENT NUMBER OF PUNCHES. In Whitaker and Pep's case they threw a pretty high volume of punches and in Hopkins' case his work rate didn't slow to a crawl until he got into his mid to late 30s.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      I think Wlad would be a nightmare for Ali, Ali cound't out jab him, and if Wlad was cautious cound't KO HIM.
      Why not? The reach is nearly the same, Ali has much faster hands and throws it a lot more frequently.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      I think Wlad would hold his own in any Heavyweight Era, and probaly be a champion. I also think Wlad would defeat Floyd Patterson, Rocky Marciano, Michael Spinks, Jersey Joe Walcott, and cause Larry Holmes problems. I think Wlad's size advantages over the likes of Marciano, Spinks, and Patterson would be all to much for them to handle, as all wound't even be Heavyweights today.
      Patterson was not an ATG, Spinks was not an ATG at Heavyweight (he was at LIGHT-Heavyweigh), and Walcott is a borderline case.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Then people say he is in a weak era of Heavyweights. Cound't there be a chance that Wladamir is making it look easy?
      Like he made it look easy against Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster?


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Altough it's by no means the strongest, in todays Heavyweights, there are some world class amatures,
      Meaningless in the pros.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      seasoned pro's
      Read: Journeymen and over-the-hill former champs


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      and some big punchers.
      The least important of the major attributes that make up a fighter.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Out of 56 fights Wladamir has only lost 3. Wlad hasn't been beaten in 5 years and is on a 10 fight win streak, and has made 8 defences of his Heavyweight crown and is the prime of his career.
      He hasn't fought any quality opposition in that time frame either.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      People also throw his 3 lost in his face. Does everyone realise that lots of ATG fighters have had losses to lessers fighter including Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott, Manuel Ortiz and lots more. But it's about how you come back, and Wlad has comeback great.
      Those fighters also fought a lot more frequently, often on last minute notice, fought fellow ATGs in 4 sometimes 5 or 6 fight series, and in the case of Walcott sometimes fought half-starved.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Wlad has done all any champion can ever do, and that’s beat the best of his era. There are no significant heavies out there that he’s ducked,
      Because there's no significant Heavies out there.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      and for the last five years he’s decisively beaten whoever has been put in front of him A few more years at this level and I think it’ll be hard to deny Wlad his place at the top table.
      Quality of opposition always factors into how a fighter is viewed. The only exceptions to that rule are fighters who are so good it's obvious to anyone watching them. Wlad doesn't fit into that catagory.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      He’s hardly the first champion to be boring or to fight in an era lacking top quality opposition. How many prime great light-heavies did Bob Foster beat, for instance? Yet no one disputes Foster’s greatness.
      On the contrary: Foster is frequently downgraded by knowledable posters on this site precisely because of his lack of quality opponents.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      Lots of Heavyweights Champions never got the credit they deserved when they were champions etc Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes and Ezzard Charles.
      Wlad is no Larry Holmes or Ezzard Charles.


      Originally posted by Boxing_12
      All Wlad can do is continue to dominante and carry on to make defences of his Title, and people will have to Accept him as a ATG.
      No we won't.

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        Wlad would F that midget Mike Tyson up the ass.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Dan Cohen
          Wlad would F that midget Mike Tyson up the ass.
          More like Wlad would **** his pants during the national anthem if he was facing Tyson.

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          • Dan Cohen
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            Wlad would have a huge reach and height advantage over Tyson. He would just jab and grab him to death. It's a pity none of these boxing legends are around to fight today. It would be fun to see Wlad beat the **** out of them.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Dan Cohen
              Wlad would have a huge reach and height advantage over Tyson. He would just jab and grab him to death. It's a pity none of these boxing legends are around to fight today. It would be fun to see Wlad beat the **** out of them.
              Everybody had a huge reach advantage over Tyson. As for Wlad's pawing jab, Tyson walked right through that type of jab. Bonecrusher Smith held onto Tyson all night and lost a lopsided decision. Smith had a better chin than Wlad too.

              You need to seriously get Wlad's balls off your chin: You have "nuthugger" written all over you.

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                #8
                Originally posted by poet682006
                Everybody had a huge reach advantage over Tyson. As for Wlad's pawing jab, Tyson walked right through that type of jab. Bonecrusher Smith held onto Tyson all night and lost a lopsided decision. Smith had a better chin than Wlad too.

                You need to seriously get Wlad's balls off your chin: You have "nuthugger" written all over you.

                Poet
                you're insane if you really believe klitchko's jab is just a "pawing" jab.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by britton
                  you're insane if you really believe klitchko's jab is just a "pawing" jab.
                  I've watched him many times and he paws with it.....much like Lennox pawed with his in his early days.

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                  • Dan Cohen
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                    Originally posted by poet682006
                    Everybody had a huge reach advantage over Tyson. As for Wlad's pawing jab, Tyson walked right through that type of jab. Bonecrusher Smith held onto Tyson all night and lost a lopsided decision. Smith had a better chin than Wlad too.

                    You need to seriously get Wlad's balls off your chin: You have "nuthugger" written all over you.

                    Poet
                    Wlad does not have a pawing jab you frigging ******.

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