Comments Thread For: Spence-Ugas Title Unification in Play; Stanionis Agrees To Step Aside, Will Next Face Butaev

[WBC WBA IBF]

Mayweather... accepted 60%, even though he was worth 80%... simply because... that fight would generate enough money to justify paying Pacquiao more that he was worth

Correct. But did Mayweather accept the 50/50 Pacquiao demanded? No. He countered with 70/30 and they settled on 60/40.

Just like Spence and Crawford will do. 50/50 is ridiculous. So of course you counter it with 70/30. Do you not understand anything about boxing?

[LeOoze]

I never heard that,... and, I highly doubt that... link ?

if you can produce a link proving that Crawford made that comment, it would prove that NEITHER of those guys were seriously interested in making that fight

but there would need to be context behind the comment... if Crawford made that comment in jest, or in immediate reply to that slap in the face from Spence... then it cannot be viewed in the same light

was it a serious comment from Crawford? or was it a defensive comment made in direct reply to that insulting 70/30 lowball from Spence?

you called that offer a joke, and it was obviously extremely insulting to Crawford... both as a TOP P4P fighter, and as a person... so if Crawford made that comment in direct reply to that "joke" (your words) offer from Spence, then... Q. how can a joke be taken seriously? ... A. it can't, and neither can the reply

link me to that comment, so we can see the context

the point that ABC kept choosing to miss was...

Spence made (according to you) an offer that was a total joke, ABC even admitted that 70/30 was ridiculous...



... that was OBVIOUSLY an insulting "take-it-or-leave-it" lowball... and, FACT: that is NOT how you make a fight... NO top fight ever got made that way, not even Mayweather/Pacquiao... and Mayweather far outsold Pacquiao in every department, their numbers were not even close

FACT: a " take-it-or-leave-it " offer... is a 100% roadblock... that is NOT how you make a fight, promoters simply do not work that way... they negotiate in good faith

not even superstars like Canelo/Joshua pull that garbage... and if they did, nobody would take them seriously either

you seem like a reasonable guy, because you admit that 70/30 is a joke... so I am sure you will agree that when the offer is a " joke ", and the conditions are "take-it-or-leave-it"... then that is NOT an offer made in good faith, it is a roadblock that will never happen... because promoters simply do not work that way, it does not happen... and Spence is well aware of that fact

if Crawford said " if the fight wasn't 60/40 in his favor then the fight wasn't gonna happen "... in any other context, than a direct reply to that insulting slap-in-the-face from Spence... then I will agree that neither of those guys were seriously interested in making that fight

the only other issue would be... Bob Arum... no way would Arum ever consider 70/30, and most likely not 60/40 either... and Spence is 100% aware of that fact also

I am not trying to use Arum as an excuse, or trying to use him to protect Crawford... because a fighter is 100% responsible for the words/actions of his official representatives... what I am saying is... Crawford was NOT happy with Arum's performance, so he left Top Rank... but Spence is so content with his promoters performance in securing everyone EXCEPT Terrence Crawford, that he throws around "joke" offers that could never be taken seriously

I do admit that missing the Pacquiao fight was possibly a factor in Crawford's decision to leave Top Rank, so I am not using Arum as an excuse... but I don't know how seriously Crawford viewed that fight, because nobody thought that Pacquiao would ever fight him... and Arum is on public record saying that he refused to make Pacquiao/Crawford because he was "worried about Manny's health"... and I can provide a link for that

you made some fair points bro, and I do agree that Spence is in a great position if he unifies with Ugas... but like I said earlier... when the offer is a " joke ", and the conditions are "take-it-or-leave-it"... then that is NOT an offer made in good faith... it is a 100% roadblock, and a show-stopper that will never happen

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rsepect bro i normally dont bother with crawford fans but likewise you are also reasonable and hilarious at times

here's the article about bud being uncertain even if the split was 50/50:

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxi...915jexhud3vibk

now i know there is a video on youtube where he says this...i saw it before but i can't find it. if you can lmk though.

also bud DOES know that the serious offer is 60/40...here's an article where he references that spence wants 60/40...and Bud says if it's not 60/40 in his favor then the fight won't happen:

https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford...happen--153394

70/30 is wack if spence was being serious...but i only heard that once...spence has repeatedly said 60/40 and if you wanna argue whether that's fair or not...we could do that but you seem to agree that if one person deserves more...it would be spence.

also Bud is no longer with Arum, he's a free man as far as I know, so arum shouldn't be upholding this fight either.

should Spence beat Ugas (big IF imo) Bud should really accept 40/60 because then this fight would be for undisputed...and if he truly believes in himself then the rewards that will come from beating spence would be HUGE. Floyd did the same with oscar. I think Oscar got like 50 million and Floyd got 15 million...something ridiculous..worse than 40/60 but floyd took it bc he knew what would happen after beating Oscar...

also going back to Ugas...Spence has a real big problem in front of him imo. Ugas in recent years has been in amazing form...he beat Porter more easy than spence imo and he's been an active fighter. this spence/ugas will only be spence's 3rd fight in like 3 years...plus im skeptical about his eye. everybody saying spence cherrypicking but i could legit see him losing here lmao. anyways

peace bro hope you having a good christmas with fam

[Gary Coleman]

Both aren't big draws. Take the 50/50 split and show who's best.

Spence is still the bigger draw of the two. Bud will never see a 50/50 split.

[SunDiego-]

It should be a 60/40 split but let’s be real Bud won’t take anything less than a 50/50 and Spence won’t want to budge from a 60/40 split. This fight is headed straight to another Lopez/Gamboa over marinating status and it’s loosing its appeal by the day at least for me. If they don’t make the fight by the end of 2022 everyone should just forget about this fight ever happening

[aboutfkntime]

Correct. But did Mayweather accept the 50/50 Pacquiao demanded? No. He countered with 70/30 and they settled on 60/40.

Just like Spence and Crawford will do. 50/50 is ridiculous. So of course you counter it with 70/30. Do you not understand anything about boxing?

do you not understand what... " 70/30, or no fight "... means


FACT: Mayweather NEGOTIATED with Pacquiao, and then he paid Pacquiao more than he was worth... to make a huge fight


FACT: Spence did neither of those things






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[aboutfkntime]

rsepect bro i normally dont bother with crawford fans but likewise you are also reasonable and hilarious at times

here's the article about bud being uncertain even if the split was 50/50:

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxi...915jexhud3vibk

now i know there is a video on youtube where he says this...i saw it before but i can't find it. if you can lmk though.

also bud DOES know that the serious offer is 60/40...here's an article where he references that spence wants 60/40...and Bud says if it's not 60/40 in his favor then the fight won't happen:

https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford...happen--153394

70/30 is wack if spence was being serious...but i only heard that once...spence has repeatedly said 60/40 and if you wanna argue whether that's fair or not...we could do that but you seem to agree that if one person deserves more...it would be spence.

also Bud is no longer with Arum, he's a free man as far as I know, so arum shouldn't be upholding this fight either.

should Spence beat Ugas (big IF imo) Bud should really accept 40/60 because then this fight would be for undisputed...and if he truly believes in himself then the rewards that will come from beating spence would be HUGE. Floyd did the same with oscar. I think Oscar got like 50 million and Floyd got 15 million...something ridiculous..worse than 40/60 but floyd took it bc he knew what would happen after beating Oscar...

also going back to Ugas...Spence has a real big problem in front of him imo. Ugas in recent years has been in amazing form...he beat Porter more easy than spence imo and he's been an active fighter. this spence/ugas will only be spence's 3rd fight in like 3 years...plus im skeptical about his eye. everybody saying spence cherrypicking but i could legit see him losing here lmao. anyways

peace bro hope you having a good christmas with fam

here is the problem for Spence...


FACT: P4P... Crawford is ranked higher than Spence

FACT: at welter... Crawford is ranked higher than Spence

FACT: very few boxing insiders think that Spence can beat Terrence Crawford


based on those facts, if that fight does not happen...

... then Spence will always be the guy who did not fight Terrence Crawford, because he thought that he would lose to a better fighter








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