If you don't recognise Haney but you do Kambosos you have been duped.

[Marchegiano]

No ****, in divisions where the WBC hasn’t created a bull**** franchise title. The point remains the same that the IBF isn’t recognizing secondary champions.

Um, kay. Haney is the focus of this and there's literally always been a F champ over him. So, bit of an overstatement isn't it? The IBF IS, currently, doing just that.

Does the IBF allow their title to be unified with a secondary world title? No.

Does the IBF allow their title to be unified with the Franchise world title? Yes.

Why? Because the Franchise world title is the WBC's top title, not a secondary world title.

Does the IBF list Franchise world champion Juan Estrada in their ratings? Yes. Would they do that if they didn't recognize the Franchise world title? No.

That's what I been asking for, yes. Now do it again with the WBA and WBO and you have yourself a sport wide recognized major title.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Let's not act like Kambosos was just "in the right place at the right time" on the night he fought Lopez but offer up no excuses for Devin sitting around being elevated to championship status via email. By that logic, Haney was in the right place at the right time.

Lightning has struck twice....not for Kambosos though-but, for Haney. He's about to walk into an undisputed clash (if things go as planned) that he hasn't earned. I mean, how many of the lightweights have earned this shot when they refuse to face each other? So, he gets to strike luck TWICE but Kambosos should downplay his victory over Lopez because he had a bad night or whatever?

The present day lightweights are pathetic and it's hard to make excuses for it as this point!

Haney is already hollering about "having a hard time making the weight" but wants to be champion at said weight? Bro, WTF are we supposed to think of a champ that can barely make weight while sit on pins & needles every weigh-in?

First, Teo was "struggling" as well but he's been knocked out of the picture. Devin seems to only be saying it because it's urgent for him, not us. Business STILL has to make sense, Devin! Nobody's going to rush because you said you can't make the weight.

Cryin' Garcia is....well....what about him? He only comes alive during Canelo fight week or on Twitter after a lightweight actually stepped in the ring and fought. Tank is in his own "superstar" bracket so whatever. He's the WBA lightweight champion but who isn't a WBA champion?

These lightweights are deplorable beings, to say the least!

My money's on Bob shutting allllll of this down once and for all and making Lomachenko vs Kambosos in New York, the UK (I believe Loma has fans out there) or Australia. I don't think Eddie touches this one as quickly once Bob gets involved.

[WBC WBA IBF]

That's what I been asking for, yes. Now do it again with the WBA and WBO and you have yourself a sport wide recognized major title.

Franchise World Champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion in the WBA, IBF and WBO ratings. Which by your definition makes the Franchise WBC world championship a sport wide recognized major title and therefore Kambosos is the undisputed champion of the world.

[Marchegiano]

Franchise World Champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion in the WBA, IBF and WBO ratings. Which by your definition makes the Franchise WBC world championship a sport wide recognized major title and therefore Kambosos is the undisputed champion of the world.

Well then I retracts my ****** bull****. The Franchise is an official title these days and the only outlier seems to Haney himself. I didn't check but it'd be a ****** thing to lie about so I'll take your word.

Let's be clear about something though, none of your other points mean **** all and you should drop them from your argument. It's stronger if you just point out the official recognition and no, there's absolutely **** all nothing that claims a uni is an official recognition or that being officially recognized means you dictate moves to the other 3. That's made up nonsense, we have the abc for a reason and we have unis with unrecognized belts all the time. This, and none of the other **** you attributed, is what separates the majors from everything else.

I can't say why they're dis*****g over Haney but they clearly are. George is recognized as the WBC champion on no ratings outside of the WBC....if he was you'd've said...one has to question if they're blocking undisputed or if it's more a name value issue.

[NachoMan]

Let's not act like Kambosos was just "in the right place at the right time" on the night he fought Lopez but offer up no excuses for Devin sitting around being elevated to championship status via email. By that logic, Haney was in the right place at the right time.

Lightning has struck twice....not for Kambosos though-but, for Haney. He's about to walk into an undisputed clash (if things go as planned) that he hasn't earned. I mean, how many of the lightweights have earned this shot when they refuse to face each other? So, he gets to strike luck TWICE but Kambosos should downplay his victory over Lopez because he had a bad night or whatever?

The present day lightweights are pathetic and it's hard to make excuses for it as this point!

Haney is already hollering about "having a hard time making the weight" but wants to be champion at said weight? Bro, WTF are we supposed to think of a champ that can barely make weight while sit on pins & needles every weigh-in?

First, Teo was "struggling" as well but he's been knocked out of the picture. Devin seems to only be saying it because it's urgent for him, not us. Business STILL has to make sense, Devin! Nobody's going to rush because you said you can't make the weight.

Cryin' Garcia is....well....what about him? He only comes alive during Canelo fight week or on Twitter after a lightweight actually stepped in the ring and fought. Tank is in his own "superstar" bracket so whatever. He's the WBA lightweight champion but who isn't a WBA champion?

These lightweights are deplorable beings, to say the least!

My money's on Bob shutting allllll of this down once and for all and making Lomachenko vs Kambosos in New York, the UK (I believe Loma has fans out there) or Australia. I don't think Eddie touches this one as quickly once Bob gets involved.

Agree with most of that, but, in Haney's defense, he has actually fought some quality LWs (Linares, Jojo) since being given his title. On the basis of those wins (not on his email belt), he's as worthy as anyone else in the division to challenge GK for undisputed glory. I think GK beats him worse than he beat Teo though, so I'm looking forward to that one.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Well then I retracts my ****** bull****. The Franchise is an official title these days and the only outlier seems to Haney himself. I didn't check but it'd be a ****** thing to lie about so I'll take your word.

Let's be clear about something though, none of your other points mean **** all and you should drop them from your argument. It's stronger if you just point out the official recognition and no, there's absolutely **** all nothing that claims a uni is an official recognition or that being officially recognized means you dictate moves to the other 3. That's made up nonsense, we have the abc for a reason and we have unis with unrecognized belts all the time. This, and none of the other **** you attributed, is what separates the majors from everything else.

Your arguments are logical in a vacuum, but in reality what makes a sanctioning body "major" is a consensus of broadcasters. If tomorrow Fox, Showtime, ESPN and DAZN all decided to recognize the IBO, the IBO would become a major title regardless of whether the WBO refused to list it in their ratings. If tomorrow Fox, Showtime, ESPN and DAZN all decided not to recognize the WBO, the WBO would become a minor title regardless of whether the IBF continued to list it in their ratings.

The sanctioning bodies only have whatever power television decides to give them. Networks put the sanctioning bodies on the map and they could easily take them off the map. They don't because they like the sanctioning bodies.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Agree with most of that, but, in Haney's defense, he has actually fought some quality LWs (Linares, Jojo) since being given his title. On the basis of those wins (not on his email belt), he's as worthy as anyone else in the division to challenge GK for undisputed glory. I think GK beats him worse than he beat Teo though, so I'm looking forward to that one.

Can we really call JoJo a Lightweight? lol. Linares is the best name on his resume as it would be for any of the current LWs!

I’ll cross my fingers and hope to get Haney/Kambosos, though I don’t think Devin actually let’s it happen. He’s gonna want too much money and they’re both gonna find out “how much” people really wanna pay to see them fight, lol. Not as much as they’d imagine. Lol

Nice assessment! I really haven’t even started piecing my prediction together yet but I can never rule out Kambosos again. Lol