If you don't recognise Haney but you do Kambosos you have been duped.

[IronDanHamza]

I totally get your point and I actually want to agree but you go on the WBC website and it has Devin Haney as WBC world champ at 135. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.

The same website says Kambosos is the WBC Champion and undisputed at 135.

I couldn’t care less what the WBC says.

Anyone that’s “elevated” to world champion is not a world champion.

Haney isn’t the first, and will likely not be the last.

It doesn’t change the fact he’s not a world champion.

[DaNeutral.]

The same website says Kambosos is the WBC Champion and undisputed at 135.

I couldn’t care less what the WBC says.

Anyone that’s “elevated” to world champion is not a world champion.

Haney isn’t the first, and will likely not be the last.

It doesn’t change the fact he’s not a world champion.

Should we recognise Jermall Charlo as WBC champ? Wasn't he gifted the 160 version? I'm sure him and Adams didn't fight over a vacant title when Canelo was given Franchise.

[IronDanHamza]

Should we recognise Jermall Charlo as WBC champ? Wasn't he gifted the 160 version? I'm sure him and Adams didn't fight over a vacant title when Canelo was given Franchise.

Anybody who is elevated to champion is not a champion.

Throw Juan Manuel Marquez in there while you’re at it. Throw 100 examples in.

It doesn’t suddenly make Haney’s fake belt any more legitimate.

[Dakuwaqa]

1 world title belt per organisation per division.

Pleeeeeease

[DaNeutral.]

Anybody who is elevated to champion is not a champion.

Throw Juan Manuel Marquez in there while you’re at it. Throw 100 examples in.

It doesn’t suddenly make Haney’s fake belt any more legitimate.

So the Franchise belt is the legitimate full title and the legitimate full title is not a legitimate full title?

What if Haney and Kambosos fight and Haney wins? Will he then be seen as the legitimate full titlist? Or visa versa?

[Marchegiano]

So the Franchise belt is the legitimate full title and the legitimate full title is not a legitimate full title?

What if Haney and Kambosos fight and Haney wins? Will he then be seen as the legitimate full titlist? Or visa versa?

Just gonna throw you a tidbit because I didn't like how quickly you folded on the official bits.

Yes, the WBC recognizes both their champions. You know doesn't? Any other top four body. You know what they do recognize? The WBC. You will see Haney on the WBC, official. You will see Haney on the WBA, IBF, and WBO ratings as WBC champion, officially recognized by every major body as a real major world champion. The Franchise is not. Kambosos is not on their ratings as a WBC champion.

So in terms of official, Iron only said WBC says Kambosos too, which is good wording, but don't let that mean Kambosos is just as official as Haney. He is not. The WBA,IBF, and WBO say Haney is the WBC champion.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The way I see it: Kambosos is a champion and Haney is a belt holder.

[NachoMan]

Why would we as fans of the sport of boxing let Mauricio's dirty politics and financial interest dictate what we accept to be genuine, or play along with his game?

The fact that Devin Haney holds the genuine WBC lightweight championship of the world, along with the fact that George Kambosos is the real : IBF, WBA, WBO unified world-champion, constitute a undisputed clash.

In the case of Vasily Lomachenko becoming the first WBC 'Franchise' champion at lightweight : he in essence was 'stripped' or 'promoted' ( what a joke ) by accepting this poison ; in Devin Haney's case it will not be the same : as Haney can not be promoted to 'Franchise' because George Kambosos is already the 'Franchise', so Devin is bringing the actual WBC title to this meeting ; whereas Lomachenko had left the championship vacant in embracing his role in this horrible construct.



Devin Haney, is in a powerful position where he can save the lightweight lineage and refuse to accept the 'Franchise' title, destroying its credibility -- like Naoya Inoue rejected the WBC 'Diamond' belt after winning the 2019 WBSS bantamweight tournament vs. Nonito Donaire.

It would be fitting for all the trouble that it gave him, namely being considered a 'Paper-champ'. Should Haney vacate the WBC lightweight championship in adopting this destructive belt, I will consider the WBC championship to be vacant, just the same ; however, just like Lomachenko, Lopez, and Kambosos, I would view Devin Haney as THE MAN, and that is all that matters, not the propaganda that the WBC is publishing on the web.

Thats the way I view the 'Franchise' title, until the WBC starts to call for the WBC champion to face the 'Franchise' and when that happens, the WBC lightweight crown will be deluded like the WBA 'Super' and 'Regular', its all bad.

Devin Haney is the MAN?!? Devin Haney is the LINEAL LW CHAMP!?! Jesus, your reasoning is fcked. You admit that the WBC's shenanigans have created this ridiculous circumstance yet you buy right into the bull**** by validating Haney's claim to the title. Who did Haney beat to become WBC champion? Who did Lomachenkco, Lopez and GK beat to get their WBC titles? You think you've reasoned correctly, but its exactly ass backward. You rail on about WBC politics being the culprit here (which it is), but then you go ahead and defend the morass that they've created. It's not about politics and maneuvering. It's about fights and results.

[IronDanHamza]

So the Franchise belt is the legitimate full title and the legitimate full title is not a legitimate full title?

What if Haney and Kambosos fight and Haney wins? Will he then be seen as the legitimate full titlist? Or visa versa?

I don’t care about “franchise belts” or any of that garbage.

Lomachenko and Campbell fought for the Vacant WBC title, Lomachenko lost to Teofimo Lopez and Teofimo Lopez lost to Kambosos.

I couldn’t care less about all these made up status’s and titles and diamond belts and whatever else.

If Haney beats Kambosos he’s the champion. Or have them fight for a vacant belt for all I care.

Haney’s not a champion until he beats someone for a title.

[1hourRun]

Devin Haney is the MAN?!? Devin Haney is the LINEAL LW CHAMP!?! Jesus, your reasoning is fcked. You admit that the WBC's shenanigans have created this ridiculous circumstance yet you buy right into the bull**** by validating Haney's claim to the title. Who did Haney beat to become WBC champion? Who did Lomachenkco, Lopez and GK beat to get their WBC titles? You think you've reasoned correctly, but its exactly ass backward. You rail on about WBC politics being the culprit here (which it is), but then you go ahead and defend the morass that they've created. It's not about politics and maneuvering. It's about fights and results.

I think you are interpreting my words incorrectly, I said that provided that Devin Haney beats George Kambosos, that Haney would become the lineal champion ( THE MAN ). And that is all that matters, not 'undisputed' 'unified' status or recognition.

I'm not arguing in favor of Devin Haney, I view him as a titlelist ; with the same impartial attitude I view George Kambosos as the lineal champion, but not undisputed ; these two have to fight and show the public who is 'undisputed'. I demand authenticity.