Comments Thread For: George Kambosos vs. Teofimo Lopez - Official Scorecards

[DeeMoney]

Unless two of the judges wanted to score the first rd 10-10 (10-9 following the knockdown) then there is no reason these cards should read as such.

We can put a man on the moon, but we still have this crap system for collecting judges scoring? Judges shouldn't have to add, they shouldnt have to remember if a KD happened, just have them judge the round, and then have an official scorer take care of deducting points for KDs penalties, etc.

[Jab jab boom]

Maybe in the States, but in the UK it's a 10-8 irrespective. Keeps it simple and clean. No controversy. It's not fair for some to lose only 1 point while most lose 2. It gives the impression of judges being influenced by home crowds and favouritism towards certain fighters. Makes people think of corruption. Imo it's better with no grey areas. But I believe you to be correct and respect your opinion

I get your point but in mentioning fairness, imagine you’re a fighter who is clearly winning 2 min and 50 seconds of a round and then get quickly dropped with 10 seconds left, you think that person should automatically be down 2 points regardless of what happened the rest of the round? That was essentially what happened in the first round yesterday.
Lopez outlanded kambosos 20-12 in the first round l. Ahh well, either way the right man won.

[Superbee]

According to Teo there is 1 round missing on every judge's card...

[IronDanHamza]

Interesting two judges gave Lopez round 12.

I gave Lopez round 12 aswell, but it seemed most people gave it to Kambosos, on the commentary and the fans.

Still had Kambosos winning though.

[Rodtang]

I get your point but in mentioning fairness, imagine you’re a fighter who is clearly winning 2 min and 50 seconds of a round and then get quickly dropped with 10 seconds left, you think that person should automatically be down 2 points regardless of what happened the rest of the round? That was essentially what happened in the first round yesterday.
Lopez outlanded kambosos 20-12 in the first round l. Ahh well, either way the right man won.

Yeah I do get that also. It's a good point. I always think back to one of my guys Ricky Burns, winning his first world title at 130 against Roman Martinez. Ricky was a big underdog. He got off to a blistering start and had a fantastic first round, only to get dropped in the final 10 seconds or so. It was a clear one sided round, but I automatically gave it 10-8 Martinez and thought nothing of it. It seems harsh but that's the way it's done over here and it keeps everyone on the same page I suppose. And your right, the right man won last night, it was a good fight for sure.

[Aware]

I think scoring it 10-9 IS OUTSIDE the scope of the 10-point must system. In the 10-point must system, at least one fighter is awarded 10 points at the end of the round using the scoring criteria (which does NOT include knockdowns as a criteria). Once you establish who earns the 10 points for winning the round overall, you take away points for knockdowns, then you take away deducted points for fouls. To think a 10-9 round with a knockdown is acceptable is to believe the round was a 10-10 round before adjusting for the knockdown.

For me, personally, I felt Teofimo won the first round, forcing George to back away most of the time and fight defensively and reactively. In his aggression, he was knocked down towards the end of the round, but he had already established his slight dominance over the previous 2+ minutes. Teofimo got up quickly, did not physically show signs of being heavily hurt, and weathered the remainder of the round. Although he got knocked down, I believe he otherwise won the round, making it 10-9 for Teofimo. Then I deduct one point for the knockdown, making it 9-9. I felt the same way about both Fury knockdowns in the first Wilder fight. I can, however, see people feeling George won the first round, and further cementing that first round win with a knockdown that results in a 10-8 round for him.

Oh, and I also felt the right guy ultimately won. Cong****, Kombosos.

You are wrong. Do you just make up ****?

"The criteria for scoring a knock down is not based on the premise that the fighter who scores the knockdown automatically is awarded a 10-8. The correct criteria that is taught by Duane Ford in his ABC certification classes for boxing judges is:

If Fighter A is winning the round and scores a knockdown and continues to win the round after the knockdown, then Fighter A is awarded the round 10-8. However, if Fighter A is winning the round and gets knocked down by Fighter B, then Fighter B is awarded the round 10-9. The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown? Thus, most fans and TV commentators are incorrect in automatically scoring a 10-8 round for a fighter who scores a knock down without taking into consideration who won the round without the knock down."

https://www.ringtv.com/122349-when-does-a-knock-down-not-result-in-a-10-8-round/

[Ajvar]

10/9 is intolerable.

Lopez wasn't destroying Kambosos all the 1st round before going into "flash KD. [10/9]
The KD wasn't in the 1st half of round where 2nd half would have been Lopez' dominance either. [9/9]

It was 10/8 real KD round.

[Ajvar]

... if Fighter A is winning the round and gets knocked down by Fighter B, then Fighter B is awarded the round 10-9. The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown? Thus, most fans and TV commentators are incorrect in automatically scoring a 10-8 round for a fighter who scores a knock down without taking into consideration who won the round without the knock down."

Except most judges also "are incorrect" and hence that text becomes BS in real life.