Comments Thread For: Golovkin Confident That He Holds The "Secret" To Beat Canelo

[harry-greb]

I suggest you work on your reading ability, and your counting. You aren't very proficient at those. In addition to your ability to understand and score fights. Hopefully there is something you are good at out there.

My reading is decent, my counting is fairly proficient.
These are your words directly from your RBR scorecard of canelo v ggg 2
Rd 1 close round; GGG
Rd 2 close round. canelo
Rd 3 not much in it. canelo
Rd 5 close round. GGG
Rd 7 close round. GGG
Rd 8 close round. GGG
Rd 9 very tight. Canelo
Rd 11 probably G's
Rd 12 I think you have to give it to G.

Now by my decent reading levels, I think I've read your words correctly. You used small enough words for me to comprehend. I thank you for that.
And by my proficient maths, I make that 9 rounds with the words close round, think, probably and very tight. Those words would indicate to me that you have 9 of the 12 rounds fairly close. But you gave 6 of those 9 to ggg.
And in 5 of those 9 rounds the other fighter out-landed the guy you gave the round to!!!!
And in 7 of those rounds Canelo had a better connect percentage.

All of these facts (and they ARE facts) lead to the inevitable conclusion that Canelo vs GGG 2 was a very close fight.

Now I hope u come back with facts and not childish insults.

[Flabble Scrote]

Well he's already beaten him, age 40? Nah I don't think so he's declined since and Canelo has had a few years of scientific nutritional gains

[Flabble Scrote]

You don't count 'jabs' or 'power punches' lol

You watch the rounds, and count scoring punches, and evaluate them for effectiveness. All punches are not equal. All jabs are not soft. All 'power punches' are not super hard.

You sound pretty emotional man. The lengths you guys have to go to, to try to find a 'win' for Canelo in those 2 fights is hilarious. 'Well GGG was supposed to KO him' 'Haha you score jabs haha'

You guys are a wreck lol

Golovkin jabs are HEAVY , rematch was a bona fide draw

[Boxing-1013]

Ah, you're not descending to the schoolyard insults. Come on. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times.
You have no interest in pointing out where ward got battered in rounds 3-6, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T. And you don't want to admit he didn't.

Lol. You're just kind of annoying man. I just don't care enough to talk about it. I have jobs to do and a life outside of that. I've given my views on the fight. That fight isn't high on my list of rewatching. Watched it live and scored it, that's all you need to do. And for giggles I've watched it back multiple times over the years as well.

Kov had a much better case of being up 6-0 than only being up 4-2. Kov should have been up 5-1. And the last 6 were competitive rounds. If the whole fight went that way, and Kov lost 7-5, I could have seen that, but I think over the last 6 he was slightly better than Ward as well. He won the clearest round (10th). Ward didn't have one obvious round the entire fight.

He just had no chance of winning. Embarrassed for the first 6, battled back the last 6. Definitely lost. 8-4 to Kov felt generous to Ward on fight night. When a fight is that obvious to you, you don't need to rewatch. Though I have, just for sh.its and giggles.

[Boxing-1013]

Golovkin jabs are HEAVY , rematch was a bona fide draw

Agreed on the bold. His jab is pretty clearly a 'power punch' if you're scoring based on damage. I score shots based on some scale of 'did the other guy feel that' - and almost always it seems like when G lands the jab, his opponent seems to feel it quite a bit.

[Boxing-1013]

My reading is decent, my counting is fairly proficient.
These are your words directly from your RBR scorecard of canelo v ggg 2
Rd 1 close round; GGG
Rd 2 close round. canelo
Rd 3 not much in it. canelo
Rd 5 close round. GGG
Rd 7 close round. GGG
Rd 8 close round. GGG
Rd 9 very tight. Canelo
Rd 11 probably G's
Rd 12 I think you have to give it to G.

Now by my decent reading levels, I think I've read your words correctly. You used small enough words for me to comprehend. I thank you for that.
And by my proficient maths, I make that 9 rounds with the words close round, think, probably and very tight. Those words would indicate to me that you have 9 of the 12 rounds fairly close. But you gave 6 of those 9 to ggg.
And in 5 of those 9 rounds the other fighter out-landed the guy you gave the round to!!!!
And in 7 of those rounds Canelo had a better connect percentage.

All of these facts (and they ARE facts) lead to the inevitable conclusion that Canelo vs GGG 2 was a very close fight.

Now I hope u come back with facts and not childish insults.

I wrote about a paragraph for each round. I find it telling that you claimed a few of the clear rounds I had for GGG, were close, and that one of Canelo's rounds, which I said was close, you said was clear lol. You clearly didn't even play by your own rules in analyzing my post, which tells me everything about your intentions.

Rounds 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 9, and even 12 if you want to throw that in - were somewhat close, close enough where an honest person could have seen it the other way.

In truth, it wasn't really hard to score. As you had to have 1 guy up 2-1 after 3 - I had Canelo up 2-1, not GGG. That is hardly favoring GGG, sliding 2 of the first 3 close rounds to Canelo.

5 and 6 were close-ish but pretty clearly a 1-1 split for each guy, which is what I did. 3-2 close rounds for Canelo.

9 and 12 were close. I slid 9 to Canelo, and 12 to GGG. Though I think they both earned those rounds. G earned his at the end of 12, and Canelo closed 9 better and earned his that way. 4-3 close rounds for Canelo.

4. 7. 8. 10. 11 were all clear to GGG for me, every time I watch them. I have watched that fight 10 times and never scored those rounds differently than to G. That says it all.

As I said, try reading the whole thing, instead of of reading what you want to read (or seeing what you want to see). That seems to be a common problem for you.

There are close, either way type of rounds. And then competitive, close rounds, which one guy clearly wins. For example a round can be 'close' and then one guy lands the last 3 or 4 shots of the round. Or it can be a close round, except for one guy landing a huge shot halfway through the round. At the end of the round, it is clear whose round it is. I shouldn't have to explain those things to you.

I saw GGG outland Canelo in nearly every round, by my count. So not sure why you're saying anything about punches landed. I would say Canelo kept himself in some rounds because he landed some solid punches even when he was outworked. And probably did some good work to the body - I say probably, because he smothered a lot of his work on the inside, which is normal for that type of fighting.

But on the last rewatch, I really did my best to give him as much credit for that as I could have. I'm sure if I slowed it down, some shots would have been really good, and many were probably partially or totally blocked. I say that because the body work didn't seem to slow GGG down at all.

But even with giving him as much of a fair advantage as I could, I couldn't see more than 5 rounds for him, as I mentioned in my thread. Keep reading and trying to understand what you read!! You can do it bud.

[Boxing-1013]

1 - Typical feel out round, even for the 13th round together. GGG lands a few more punches, a little cleaner. Canelo lands maybe the best couple shots, but nothing of any real significance lands for either guy. Close round, 1st one always should go to the champ. 1-0 GGG ACTUAL CLOSE ROUND G - 1

2 - Similar to the first round, but with more action. GGG probably landing a few more shots, and landed some good ones this round. But Canelo lands some good shots too, and more of the good ones. Close round again, gotta be 1-1 after 2. ACTUAL CLOSE ROUND C - 1

3 - Not much in it. GGG starts this round a little better, looks a little more relaxed. His ring positioning and body movement overall looks much better. Maybe was tight first 2 rounds, or maybe it's age and he needs to settle in. ACTUAL CLOSE ROUND C - 2

Definitely his round early, but as the round goes on it becomes murky. Not much of a separation either way, then Canelo ends the round with what seems like a very good body shot. Could see 2-1 either way. Will slide that to Canelo based on closing it better. And the body shot was probably the best shot of the round. 3 tight rounds. Gotta be 2-1 either way. 2-1 Canelo

4 - Big G round to start. Canelo throwing with bad intentions, but nothing landing clean. Hitting a lot of gloves, glancing shots, arms. G landing some very clean and very good shots. Last 2 minutes are pretty close, Canelo with a good body shot in the last 30 seconds. But clear G round overall. Clearest round of the fight. 2-2 the only real score at this point. CLEAR GGG 1

Coincidentally - all 3 judges had it 2-2 after 4, and all with the same breakdown RBR as mine above

5 - Close round but I think you have to edge it to G. Canelo is on the front foot this round, but G does well to box off the back foot, and spins Canelo quite a few times, showing some good skills. Also makes Canelo miss quite large a few times. Both guys landed a couple hard shots, but G seemed to land a few more overall, and his are almost always clean when they do land, easy to score his shots. 3-2 GGG. Not that close, but debatable - GGG 1

6 - Very good round for Canelo. Dug some good body shots in there. GGG still landing often, clean and upstairs. But you feel like Canelo landed the best shots of the round, with quite a few really good body shots. In G's favor, it didn't seem to affect him at all, and didn't really slow down his output. Otherwise would have been a clear Canelo round. Still, pretty clear - 3-3 after 6. Not that close, but debatable - Canelo 1

3 of the first 5 close rounds for me, I slide to Canelo.

7 - Close round, but you have to edge it to G at the end. He closed it with about 3 or 4 good clean shots, unreturned, with a couple of them really solid. 4-3 GGG. Could see 4-3 Canelo but not really. Feels like a pretty even fight to this point though. Clear GGG 2

8 - Close again, but GGG closes it better, landing cleaner. Canelo visibly starting to tire. Canelo landing some early in the round, still going to and attempting to go to the body. But hard to tell how much of that is getting through clean. G starting to cover up well there, which left the head expose for a couple good right hands from Canelo. But G's round. Took it at the end. 5-3 GGG. Could see 4-4. Only 2 scores to this point. Clear GGG 3

9 - First minute, not much in it. GGG a few more shots, couple good upstairs. Canelo continues to the body, with some success, but both winging some punches too. GGG starts to take it over, but Canelo closes it well. Very tight round. Edge it to Canelo. 5-4 GGG feels like right score. Close - Canelo 3

4 of the 6 close rounds, I slide to Canelo. I still have GGG up 5-4 even in this best case scenario for Canelo.

10 - Probably the clearest round so far. GGG with some big shots, and a lot of shots. Canelo is a bit of a tank and isn't going anywhere though. Still gets off some good shots. Story of the fight so far is Canelo appears to do some good body work on the inside, but kind of smothers his work and it's hard to tell what all is landing clean. GGG, almost everything that lands, lands hard and clean. 6-4 GGG. Could see 5-5, or 7-3 GGG. But 6-4 seems like the right score. CLEAR GGG 4

Of note for all the 'face damage' scorers - GGG has a little bruising, steadily building throughout the fight. Canelo has had a pretty large cut, getting larger, since round 6. Other than that, no apparent damage.

11 - Another good round. GGG's probably just on activity. Again Canelo has some stamina issues but battles himself into the round. Hard to always tell with him what is clean and what isn't. But have to slide this one to GGG. 7-4 GGG CLEAR GGG 5

12 - I mean, I think you have to give it to G since he closed it better. 12th rounds are usually tough for me to score though, it's all about heart and wild punching usually in those rounds. 7-5 or 8-4 GGG the only 2 scores I could see. Cuts for GGG seem to open up this round. Pretty clear for GGG, but at this point it doesn't matter anyway.

Even if you slid round 12 to G, that would be 4 close rounds for Canelo, 3 for GGG, and 5 clear for GGG. Hardly any favoritism there Einstein.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Already beat him twice,, whilst Canelo was on PEDS.

At 40 though an inactive, against a media machine in Canelo, you really have to KO him just to get a draw. Won't happen.

I'm actually happy that GGG has made a lot of cash and doesn't let himself come back at an older age out of desperation for money (a bit like Margarito vs Cotto II).

Canelo did VADA testing 2 months out in his first fight and in the rematch was monitored for 4 months out. If VADA was in on it then there wouldn’t have been any leaked finding of a positive result. It’s important for people, including non fans, understand facts. Again, if VADA was in on it, then Canelo wouldn’t have ever had a positive result. But none of that matters. Clenbuterol was amended in 2019, GGG got beat by a Mexican, and GGG fans are bitter. That’s the best circumstance.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I wrote about a paragraph for each round. I find it telling that you claimed a few of the clear rounds I had for GGG, were close, and that one of Canelo's rounds, which I said was close, you said was clear lol. You clearly didn't even play by your own rules in analyzing my post, which tells me everything about your intentions.

Rounds 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 9, and even 12 if you want to throw that in - were somewhat close, close enough where an honest person could have seen it the other way.

In truth, it wasn't really hard to score. As you had to have 1 guy up 2-1 after 3 - I had Canelo up 2-1, not GGG. That is hardly favoring GGG, sliding 2 of the first 3 close rounds to Canelo.

5 and 6 were close-ish but pretty clearly a 1-1 split for each guy, which is what I did. 3-2 close rounds for Canelo.

9 and 12 were close. I slid 9 to Canelo, and 12 to GGG. Though I think they both earned those rounds. G earned his at the end of 12, and Canelo closed 9 better and earned his that way. 4-3 close rounds for Canelo.

4. 7. 8. 10. 11 were all clear to GGG for me, every time I watch them. I have watched that fight 10 times and never scored those rounds differently than to G. That says it all.

As I said, try reading the whole thing, instead of of reading what you want to read (or seeing what you want to see). That seems to be a common problem for you.

There are close, either way type of rounds. And then competitive, close rounds, which one guy clearly wins. For example a round can be 'close' and then one guy lands the last 3 or 4 shots of the round. Or it can be a close round, except for one guy landing a huge shot halfway through the round. At the end of the round, it is clear whose round it is. I shouldn't have to explain those things to you.

I saw GGG outland Canelo in nearly every round, by my count. So not sure why you're saying anything about punches landed. I would say Canelo kept himself in some rounds because he landed some solid punches even when he was outworked. And probably did some good work to the body - I say probably, because he smothered a lot of his work on the inside, which is normal for that type of fighting.

But on the last rewatch, I really did my best to give him as much credit for that as I could have. I'm sure if I slowed it down, some shots would have been really good, and many were probably partially or totally blocked. I say that because the body work didn't seem to slow GGG down at all.

But even with giving him as much of a fair advantage as I could, I couldn't see more than 5 rounds for him, as I mentioned in my thread. Keep reading and trying to understand what you read!! You can do it bud.

In boxing, judges take circumstances for what fighters say and perform. The judges weren’t impressed with GGG holding back against Canelo. That was GGG’s own curse for selling something he didn’t plan to execute against Canelo. Judges have devotion to Mexican boxing because that country is a huge dynamic in the sport. Canelo proved to the judges that he one of the first Mexican fighters to take a significant jump in style, so GGG got a pass on fight 1, but in fight 2, GGG didn’t impress the judges considering Canelo was even smaller.

[DreamFighter]

It's not Nelo's fault GGG is older than him.
When GGG was 30, Nelo was a mere 22 year old.

Shlt happens.

By the time Nelo was 30, GGG should have long been a multiple div champ and have Nelo chase him

this.
GGG had won his first title in the ring only 2 years before at age 33.
Thats no bad thing in itself.

But its clear he left it late, since he'd been fighting for the bum IBO belt for years previous...particularly in light of Canelo striding 5 divisions titles before he has even reached that age.
You have to wonder if him leaving it so late, and him facing the weakest title holder in ages in David Smellieux, was not a coincidence.