Could Terence Have Beat Floyd

[billeau2]

Yet he boxed their ears of in rematches, sometimes Floyd was happy to slug it out he was never in trouble they just messy fights, yet when he wanted to be on a bike he was practically untouchable.

I don't want to trash Floyd... Guys like Castillo were tough guys, but they were not fellow ATGs... Lets say this whole conversation we are having, and your post to me was regarding Leonard versus Duran. And you posted "Hey Billeau, yeah Duran did his thing but Ray boxed his ears off, made him quit." Considering how phenominal Duran was, that is an incredible feat to accomplish. More to the point of the thread, could Crawford had done such a thing as Floyd? perhaps in a rematch with Porter, just dominating him from the first round on? I think Crawford is basically fighting the level of opposition Floyd was, maybe a little less, but in the same general ball park.

Floyd had brittle hands... always. No slugging!

Floyd was an ATG fighter for sure... But untouchable? certainly compared to Crawford, but to fighters like Jones? I would have to differ with you on that opinion.

[GrandpaBernard]

Yeah thats about how I had it. But Crawford was starting to catch Porter... Not being smothered so much.

Different qualities mean different things when we consider the totality of circumstances, attributes that a fighter is effective using in the ring. For a real bona fide pressure guy, the ability to press indefinitely is worth more than power and especially accuracy. The proof is in the pudding... If we ask who the better fighter was (since Porter retired lol) Maidana, or Porter... the truth is, you could make an argument that when broken down they were close... Im talking strictly their attributes in the ring... Porter got a lot farther though. I would say that the bigger gas tank was the better thing to have than the power and accuracy... I agree with you about Maidana having better power and accuracy, guy was kind of an underated fighter actually.

Heres an example of what I am talking about... Ray Robinson beat untold numbers of great boxers... Two guys that beat him up were not particularly good punchers, or very accurate... LaMotta and Fullmer... both guys who were pressure fighters. Actually the comparison of Madiana and Porter works perfectly for LaMotta and Fullmer... Most people would say Gene Fullmer was not on the level of Jake Lamotta, just like most people would probably say Porter is substantially more accomplished than Maidana... But it took Fullmer less fights to beat Ray Robinson... and it was all due to that one attribute... pure relentless pursuit. Keep this in mind though: You could find many many many well rounded fighters who could pressure as well as LaMotta/Fullmer, AND do a heck of a lot more! But it never would have been considered viable to fight the way a one dimensional pressure fighter would fight Robinson.

I think if Porter fought the proverbial "perfect fight" he could give Floyd some problems... But its hard to back that up... Hatton had fast feet and had been a talented pressure fighter, but his father & other management, had turned him into a dry humping, no risk taking mess. They had convinced him to virtually abandon all the things that made him an exceptional talent... certainly by the time Floyd fought him, he was shiat lol. It took Lamotta more than a few times to beat Robinson... lol. Could Shawn do so if he fought Floyd 5 times or so? I don't know...

Yep Porter was a modern day swarmer

shame he’s retired

I have him seeing the final bell vs Floyd due to the latter lack of stoppage power

[elfag]

You look that good fighting the Guerreros and Ortiz's of the world.

you really want to talk resumes because Floyds and Crawfords arent even on the same planet.

Crawford was dropped by a lithuianian cabbage farmer. go on and list the top 5 wins for floyd and crawford, I'll wait.

[TernceBudCharlo]

No Floyd is a once in a lifetime talent.

[hugh grant]

Bud has just managed to secure his first fight with a PBC GUY. when did FLOYD duck Crawford? Spence was the main guy at welterweight . If it was anyone that ducked Crawford it was manny. How dare you

Floyd ducked, bud, spence and thurman. Nobodies going to put up with floyd wouldve, could ve comments now when he should have fought them back then!

You think Floyd could beat thurman? Well, floyd shouldve proved it then! Pac did! You think Floyd can beat spence, well he shouldve proved it and fought him then? Pac thought he could beat spence and was prepared to put up. Put up or shut up is the saying isn't it?

[Noelanthony]

Floyd ducked, bud, spence and thurman. Nobodies going to put up with floyd wouldve, could ve comments now when he should have fought them back then!

You think Floyd could beat thurman? Well, floyd shouldve proved it then! Pac did! You think Floyd can beat spence, well he shouldve proved it and fought him then? Pac thought he could beat spence and was prepared to put up. Put up or shut up is the saying isn't it?

I suppose he should have fought Maliggnagi, Khan, Brook, Bradley, Peterson just about the whole Welterweight roster? Didn't Floyd say Thurman should fight SPENCE? it was never mentioned or even suggested that BUD or SPENCE should fight Mayweather but PAC turned down a fight with Crawford with his trainer roach echoing " fighting Crawford would not be a good idea" what the hell does that mean then?

[djtmal]

Floyd ducked, bud, spence and thurman. Nobodies going to put up with floyd wouldve, could ve comments now when he should have fought them back then!

You think Floyd could beat thurman? Well, floyd shouldve proved it then! Pac did! You think Floyd can beat spence, well he shouldve proved it and fought him then? Pac thought he could beat spence and was prepared to put up. Put up or shut up is the saying isn't it?

Exactly. Nothing but fanboy talk. Floyd had the opportunity to make fights with those guys but it was obvious he was ducking them.

[Tails]

The thing about Mayweather is that when he feels someone is a threat he raises his game to the point that his reflexes are unreal and he actually uses his offensive arsenal.

The thing about Crawford is that he is a sharpshooter and he will give you different looks and bide his time waiting for that one shot to stun you. Once that happens he will go in for the finish. This does leave him prone to dropping rounds though.

I see Mayweather getting the better of him early on to the point that it looks like a mismatch. But Crawford at that point ups his tempo and begins to stalk probably looking foolish trying to get to Floyd but it takes time to time such a great fighter like Floyd.. He probably buzzes Floyd here and there but Floyd being as great as he is is able to do enough to not get finished and win some of the exchanges and later rounds as well.

Final result is a Floyd UD maybe MD (depending on judging) in a W that he had to earn the hard way.

[djtmal]

The difference between Floyd and TC that would make all the difference in the world is defense and foot speed, Floyd is too silky smooth with unreal conditioning just too much of everything, Im mean I like TC but Porter is no yardstick to a Floyd Mayweather, Floyd would beat the brakes of Shawn and people would call it a cherry-pick, I haven't seen anything from TC yet that equals Mayweather.

Thats because you can't see past Floyds shortcomings

[ELPacman]

Naaaah. because Fraud would of never fought Terence in his prime. So to answer your question, no.