Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz vs. Charles Martin Tops Fox Sports Pay-Per-View, January 1

[billeau2]

I find that hard to believe they would let that fight go through without ordering a final elimination bout and wait that long for Hrgovic to sit and watch and get yet another fight even though they have penalized guys for declining him . In fact Martin should be removed as well from the top 10 because he declined the fight as well .

Yeah this avoidance is horrid... a boxer has a relatively short prime, there has to be some compelling force in boxing that incentivises the best fighting the best...

[billeau2]

You’ll have to tell me your picks I’m going Martin , Demerizen and Coffie

I don't know how any of these guys look lol! Its been a while lol... Ill pick in a day or so, ill PM you. Just want to see how these guys have held up... Tito is how old these days? Martin likes to stay active...

[rickJen]

Twelve pages. Fans want this fight. It's obvious.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Yeah this avoidance is horrid... a boxer has a relatively short prime, there has to be some compelling force in boxing that incentivises the best fighting the best...

Redeemer lied to you. Martin never turned anything down. The IBF has never said Hrgovic vs Hunter was a final eliminator. Martin is #2 because he won an eliminator. #1 is vacant. Hrgovic is #3 because you can't get into the top two in the IBF without winning an eliminator.

[billeau2]

Redeemer lied to you. Martin never turned anything down. The IBF has never said Hrgovic vs Hunter was a final eliminator. Martin is #2 because he won an eliminator. #1 is vacant. Hrgovic is #3 because you can't get into the top two in the IBF without winning an eliminator.

I don't opine about such things because I know not... I subscribe to a theory of mentalism that Arthur Conan Doyle brought about through Sherlock Holmes, the greatest detective to never live... According to Holmes the mind is like an attic and when you fill it up with trivial things, you threaten the space you need for important things. I find the rules of the various alphabet soup on the order of a label on a toothpaste container... Given the need for a choice? did you know Crest toothpaste is the paste recommended by the American Dental Association?

[WBC WBA IBF]

I don't opine about such things because I know not.

Not asking you to opine. I'm just filling you in since I happen know. Redeemer is just a troll.

The IBF is very straight forward. #1 & #2 are left vacant. You must win an eliminator to fill one of them. Any two fighters in the top 15 can go to the IBF and say "hey we're willing to fight each other if you'll put the winner in the top 2!" The IBF says yes 99% of the time. If those fighters are in the top 5, the IBF will install the winner at #1. If they're not in the top 5, the IBF will install the winner at #2.

Charles Martin and Gerald Washington were both in the top 15, went to the IBF and say "hey we're willing to fight each other if you'll put the winner in the top 2!" The IBF said no problem, Martin won the fight, and becomes #2.

Hrgovic & Hunter were going to fight for the #1 spot. The winner of that fight would have had to fight Martin in a final eliminator. Since that fight fell apart, and Martin has already fought an eliminator and been waiting a long time for somebody to fill the #1 spot to fight him, he's being allowed to fight Ortiz. That's the way the IBF works. If Hrgovic can't get anyone in the top 15 to fight him, that's his problem.

[OnePunch]

If Martin -Ortiz is IBF eliminator, the winner will have to face Hrgovic. Hrgovic clearly wants to fight IBF eliminator and he is ranked N. 3. He can`t be just left out because he never refused the fight.

That is not accurate. IF the IBF is sanctioning Martin (#2) against Ortiz (#10) for the #1 spot, the winner gets first crack at the next mando. Technically a #1 vs #2 box off could still be ordered, but odds are the title defense would occur first, and would have to be offered to #1, then #2, #3, etc until someone accepts....


But, depending on what the rotation order is for mandos, Usyk could end up vacating or getting stripped, in which case the Martin-Ortiz winner would fight Hrgovic for the vacant strap (unless someone else fights a #2 eliminator before then, in which case Hrgovic is on the outside looking in.........

[REDEEMER]

Yeah this avoidance is horrid... a boxer has a relatively short prime, there has to be some compelling force in boxing that incentivises the best fighting the best...

The incentive would be a win gets a shot at A.J who was the champion at the time . Everyone knows that’s the guy to get the most profit from . I rate Hrgovic very high in fact I have him number 2 right now because I believe he would beat everyone but A.J . I could be proven wrong should A.J lose in his rematch but I don’t see that happening really I’d be surprised .

Either way everyone behind the scenes have been told to avoid Hrgovic for a reason but that’s the sport their in someone has to lose and take chances to get a legit title fight which also always isn’t the case ,see Wilders resume where not one guy actually defeated a top guy to get a title shot with him . In the end it’s prize fighting you aren’t supposed to turn down highest paydays or fights that lead to them .

[REDEEMER]

Redeemer lied to you. Martin never turned anything down. The IBF has never said Hrgovic vs Hunter was a final eliminator. Martin is #2 because he won an eliminator. #1 is vacant. Hrgovic is #3 because you can't get into the top two in the IBF without winning an eliminator.

So when Hrgovic fights in the elimination bout next then what are you going to say because that’s the next fight you are claiming isn’t a final elimination bout when a mandatory has to be due soon ?

The IBF would have said Hearn is lying all that time and Hrgovic claims of offering every available guy an offer was a lie but they didn’t ,the IBF went on to remove Hunter from its top ten and so forth . What final elimination bout did Martin win to get number 2 can you answer that ?

Everyone knows you lie on here so ? We just didn’t know it would continue when your ridiculous Wilder fronts were gone .

[WBC WBA IBF]

So when Hrgovic fights in the elimination bout next then what are you going to say because that’s the next fight you are claiming isn’t a final elimination bout when a mandatory has to be due soon ?

As the #3 rated fighter, who has agreed to fight the leading available contender, Hrgovic is entitled to a SEMI-FINAL eliminator and the chance to become #1 in the ratings. If he wins, he would then be entitled to a final eliminator and the chance to become mandatory. That's how the IBF rules work.

The IBF would have said Hearn is lying all that time and Hrgovic claims of offering every available guy an offer was a lie but they didn’t ,the IBF went on to remove Hunter from its top ten and so forth .

Sanctioning bodies rarely put out statements when Hearn lies. The WBC seems to be the only one that is willing to call Hearn out publicly about his lies.

Hunter was removed from the top 10 for turning down a SEMI-FINAL eliminator with Hrgovic.

What final elimination bout did Martin win to get number 2 can you answer that ?

Martin won a SEMI-FINAL eliminator against Gerald Washington to gain the #2 position.