Would this version of Canelo beat a prime Marvin Haggler?

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  • buddyr
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    #31
    I don't like the way Canelo fought his last 2 fights. He gave away a lot of early rounds only to come on late. It worked, but what if he's facing someone with stamina that can continue to move for 12 rounds instead of slowing and becoming stationary by round 7 or 8? Good wins for him though because Saunders and Plant are top fighters at 168. It's not Canelo's fault that 168 isn't that great. he's doing what he's supposed to do, cleaning them out. It's not his fault Benavidez isn't disciplined.

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      #32
      Originally posted by buddyr
      I don't like the way Canelo fought his last 2 fights. He gave away a lot of early rounds only to come on late. It worked, but what if he's facing someone with stamina that can continue to move for 12 rounds instead of slowing and becoming stationary by round 7 or 8? Good wins for him though because Saunders and Plant are top fighters at 168. It's not Canelo's fault that 168 isn't that great. he's doing what he's supposed to do, cleaning them out. It's not his fault Benavidez isn't disciplined.
      Canelo doesn`t have to worry about scorecards, lol, Mayweather got only a MD, what can other guys expect? He must just take care that he isn`t stopped. If he closes the show before the final bell, even better. Stopping Canelo is almost impossible, he has a great chin.

      I agree with you, but Canelo is not Lomachenko. even if he throws first 5 rounds away, he still gets the decision.
      Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 11-09-2021, 06:26 AM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

        Canelo doesn`t have to worry about scorecards, lol, Mayweather got only a MD, what can other guys expect? He must just take care that he isn`t stopped. If he closes the show before the final bell, even better. Stopping Canelo is almost impossible, he has a great chin.

        I agree with you, but Canelo is not Lomachenko. even if he throws first 5 rounds away, he still gets the decision.
        I can't disagree with that either. And that's due to boxing being the most corrupt sport in the world. I mean, Plant only won 2 rounds on 1 of the scorecards and Canelo went a few rounds without doing anything early but walking forward trying to cut the ring off. I had picked him by KO months ago just as most of this site, but yes, he's not losing a decision until they find a new money maker to replace him. It's about money. His fights boost the local economy and he doesn't fight often enough that a loss wouldn't mean anything. He fights twice a year(3 times this year) so I understand what you're saying.

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          #34
          Originally posted by TreyShaw
          Yes he would .

          First off Hagler would be one of the smaller guys Canelo would have faced from 160-175 he was small for MW. I love Hagler but would be countered to death by Canelo both guys have granite chins so no stoppage here.
          Marvin Hagler fought most of his career, during same day weigh in's 'At 160 pounds'.

          Under what conditions is this match up, happening and when? During the 80's or present day? Is this fight going to be a 15 round fight?

          Under the conditions of a same day weigh in, Marvin Hagler even with the pressure of having to make that weight 'Has shown greater endurance than Canelo Alvarez'.

          Marvin Hagler without the pressure of having to make a same day weigh in, would obliterate Canelo Alvarez. Too much endurance, too much durability too much ability. Hagler is not going to disappear because he see's a few skills in-front of him, this is a fighter who battled against fighters with a higher skill level than Alvarez 'Such as Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran also? Marvin Hagler fought and beat bigger punchers than Canelo Alvarez such as Thomas 'The Hitman' Hearns, John Mugabi etc

          Is Canelo Alvarez really naturally bigger? Why are people trying to make out that he is some sort of tank? He started his career at 147 pounds, and has a party trick of weight draining himself before weigh in's'.

          I am sure Marvin Hagler if he wanted to could weight drain himself come in 10 pound heavier, if he was fighting during this era. But he most likely would not and only come in a tad heavier, but in better condition than Canelo Alvarez.

          Note: Whatever era Marvin Hagler fights Canelo Alvarez in, he wins.

          Marvin Hagler actually has the better wins, and has fought the better fighters.

          Note: People need to be honest with themselves, the only reason why Alvarez is able to go up and down in weight 'Is because the sport enables that these days, with the day before weigh in's and all of these weight draining techniques'. Canelo Alvarez during the 70's and early 80's does not go up and down in weight, he picks and weight class and stays in that weight class competing. Even during the 90's, I have suggested that Alvarez would of went no higher than 160 pounds 'Because if he would of ventured into the 168 pound division, he would of been destroyed'.
          Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 11-09-2021, 09:17 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Madison boxing
            judging by the reactions of the LOSERS on here youd think canelo could beat [prime muhammed ali. i never knew caleb plant was such a superstar and beating him is such an amazing achievement. youve got people saying that win seals him as fighter of the year LMAO. and to answer your question, hagler would beat him as easy as mayweather, thats difference between ATG and world level fighters.
            Well any fighter that unifies a division by stopping 2 previously undefeated opponents is pretty impressive...and if you go back. extra month to december Canelo has beaten 3 undefeated opponents to become the 6th person to ever unify a division.

            Unlike Josh Taylor none of Canelo's wins were close or debatable. They were all clear dominant wins

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              #36
              Originally posted by buddyr
              I don't like the way Canelo fought his last 2 fights. He gave away a lot of early rounds only to come on late. It worked, but what if he's facing someone with stamina that can continue to move for 12 rounds instead of slowing and becoming stationary by round 7 or 8? Good wins for him though because Saunders and Plant are top fighters at 168. It's not Canelo's fault that 168 isn't that great. he's doing what he's supposed to do, cleaning them out. It's not his fault Benavidez isn't disciplined.
              Plant won 2-4 rounds in the entire fight on official scorecards after 10 rounds (stopped in 11th).

              BJS won 2-3 rounds in the entire fight after 8 rounds.

              Both guys won 1-2 rounds in first 4 rounds...it appears Canelo takes a round off in the middle/2nd half of fight and not actually let opponents pile up rounds early on

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                #37
                Originally posted by buddyr

                Duran wasn't washed up. Years later when he was even older, he beat the Blade. Duran was a good boxer too. Washed up fighters don't fight for almost 30 more years consistently lol.
                Duran was so washed up that he just happened to win another world title six years later, and fight for another fifteen.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by buddyr

                  I can't disagree with that either. And that's due to boxing being the most corrupt sport in the world. I mean, Plant only won 2 rounds on 1 of the scorecards and Canelo went a few rounds without doing anything early but walking forward trying to cut the ring off. I had picked him by KO months ago just as most of this site, but yes, he's not losing a decision until they find a new money maker to replace him. It's about money. His fights boost the local economy and he doesn't fight often enough that a loss wouldn't mean anything. He fights twice a year(3 times this year) so I understand what you're saying.
                  I won some money by picking the over, but I had Plant ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage. I thought he was boxing well off the back foot, and making Canelo miss a lot, while hitting him with counters.


                  Gonna get flamed now lol

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                  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard

                    Hagler beat a top 10 atg and arguably beat a top 15 atg

                    Alvarez goes life and death with Lara and ggg

                    all good fighters

                    but different levels
                    I’m assuming the guys picking Canelo haven’t seen enough of Hagler. They’ve probably only seen the 87 version that lost to SRL instead of the early 80’s version who was tearing through the Middleweight division.

                    Canelo is an unbelievable fighter in his own right and a modern great himself, but there’s no way in hell he beats a prime Hagler. A peak Hagler gives Canelo a beating IMO.

                    As you said man, levels…

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                      #40
                      jesus christ

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