Comments Thread For: Will Haymon's Gigantic Gamble On Boxing's Biggest U.S. Star Pay Off With Canelo's Return To PBC?

[KTFOKING]

If canelo is getting 40 mil and the Ppv doesn’t do a mil buys, it’s a bust. I think this Ppv will only do in the 600k range.

Nope, not how it works. I'll break it down in a bit once I get to my office.

[DClefthook]

probably they just care about boxing ...

With Haymon ..
No fights outside the US , no attempt to push fights outside the US
PPV prices up and up
No none PPV fights
Only fights against PBC fighters at all cost

With Haymon we'll all be watching MMA real soon .. it'll make Dana happy ..facts

If Haymon reverses all that I'd be happy.

"probably just care about boxing"....huh??? should they focus on baseball and darts?..."with Haymon no fights outside the US"...yes corrct Haymon should focus on American boxing and Hearn should focus on Euros...."only fights against PBC fighters"....Porter and Marcus Browne will be fighting on ESPN and Maurice hooker vs Virgil Ortiz on DAZN, what DAZN fighter fought on PBC again?..... "we'll all be watching MMA soon"....Yea you're clueless...hardcore boxing fans (90% black and brown) and hardcore MMA fans (95% suburban white) aren't to be confused. I keep hearing people say boxing messed up because they picked the same date as MMA. No they didn't, I don't know who the fuq those MMA fighters are. The only time the two worlds collide is if there is another May vs Mac, which won't be happening anytime soon. Some of you guys think this way because once again DAZN came over here on some BS with the Canelo v Kovalev fight and bowed down to MMA. American boxing doesn't do that. Showtime has been doing PPV events long before MMZ so they know the game way better than they do.....o yea...FACTS!!

[KTFOKING]

If canelo is getting 40 mil and the Ppv doesn’t do a mil buys, it’s a bust. I think this Ppv will only do in the 600k range.

Okay, so let's say it does 600k buys and 45% of the buys are digital buys.

330,000 * $80 = $26,400,000 *60% = 15,840,000 *.90 = 14,256,000
270,000 * $80 = $21,600,000 *80% = 17,280,000 *.90 = 15,552,000

Total = 29,808,000 off PPV revenue after cable distributors and network split get their share.

Now, you add in say $17,000,000 in gate revenues and you are close to $48M. Add in the sponsors and international TV money, you can easily get to the $55-60M mark.

If Espinoza is saying the breakeven will be a little over 500k buys? That just means he expects the digital buys to make up around 50% or more of the total buys and there is a much more favorable split to the networks/promoters that way.

Again, I've been thinking they would need 600k buys or around that mark to breakeven but obviously Espinoza would know more than me.

[DClefthook]

F.uck Al Hymen. I hope this does fail, and he loses money. I'm not paying for this fight Canelo. I hope he does lose money from this, UFC is going to massacre this fight. Canelo will be back at DAZN in no time.

It must be sad to be so pathetic to have to root against your hero because your mad the black man got the fight and the white boy didnt. hahahahaha

[Noelanthony]

He said "pushing boxing in the USA"....Hearn fish eyes and whomever Mick is aint doing shyte for pushing boxing in the USA...only Al Bob and to a lesser extent Oscar are doing that. Sorry to inform you but DAZN failed in the USA. I've been telling you guys this for 3 years that it wasn't going to work. They are down to their last few gimmick fights. Mungia vs journeyman and Teo will be back on TR after this fight. There will be no Devin v Teo on DAZN. Hopefully when GBP's contract ends next month he will get back to Showtime and boxing will blow up from there.

You don't know fat micky? He is only the promoter that discovered the greatest heavyweight fighter that has ever lived, Tyson Fury. As for pushing American boxing those 3 have done absolutely nothing. Although i will say Eddie presence has ruffled a few feathers and promoters and networks have been forced to pay more Which has helped American boxing. I responded just simply to wind up my mate, old skool ,as he is very patriotic . He knows better than respond. Why would i care what happens in a country i dont live in just like i couldn't care less about Dazn. The only reason i had an affinity to the company because i like the idea it paid top dollar to boxers and consumers will not have to fork out for PPV. If Haymon brought out something similar i would support it too even though it doesn't directly effect me in the slightest...... I stream it whether its £200 or £5

[El_Maldito_Rey]

It must be sad to be so pathetic to have to root against your hero because your mad the black man got the fight and the white boy didnt. hahahahaha

Who's rooting against Canelo? He'll get his $40 million. Hymen will lose money.

[Oldskoolg]

"probably just care about boxing"....huh??? should they focus on baseball and darts?..."with Haymon no fights outside the US"...yes corrct Haymon should focus on American boxing and Hearn should focus on Euros...."only fights against PBC fighters"....Porter and Marcus Browne will be fighting on ESPN and Maurice hooker vs Virgil Ortiz on DAZN, what DAZN fighter fought on PBC again?..... "we'll all be watching MMA soon"....Yea you're clueless...hardcore boxing fans (90% black and brown) and hardcore MMA fans (95% suburban white) aren't to be confused. I keep hearing people say boxing messed up because they picked the same date as MMA. No they didn't, I don't know who the fuq those MMA fighters are. The only time the two worlds collide is if there is another May vs Mac, which won't be happening anytime soon. Some of you guys think this way because once again DAZN came over here on some BS with the Canelo v Kovalev fight and bowed down to MMA. American boxing doesn't do that. Showtime has been doing PPV events long before MMZ so they know the game way better than they do.....o yea...FACTS!!

I havnt seen such a one sided ass whipping since the first gulf war…..

[Oldskoolg]

It must be sad to be so pathetic to have to root against your hero because your mad the black man got the fight and the white boy didnt. hahahahaha

Just ate up with the anti black racism. A Mexican Richard Spencer

[Jab jab boom]

Okay, so let's say it does 600k buys and 45% of the buys are digital buys.

330,000 * $80 = $26,400,000 *60% = 15,840,000 *.90 = 14,256,000
270,000 * $80 = $21,600,000 *80% = 17,280,000 *.90 = 15,552,000

Total = 29,808,000 off PPV revenue after cable distributors and network split get their share.

Now, you add in say $17,000,000 in gate revenues and you are close to $48M. Add in the sponsors and international TV money, you can easily get to the $55-60M mark.

If Espinoza is saying the breakeven will be a little over 500k buys? That just means he expects the digital buys to make up around 50% or more of the total buys and there is a much more favorable split to the networks/promoters that way.

Again, I've been thinking they would need 600k buys or around that mark to breakeven but obviously Espinoza would know more than me.

Interesting break down. Question though, do you think a 17 mil live gate may be a bit of an aggressive estimate since canelo vs Jacobs at the same arena did half of that at 8.6 mil? Plus, do these numbers take into account canelo getting 40 mil and plant getting 10 mil plus any Ppv upside for either? Especially Canelo who I’m pretty sure would get a Ppv cut regardless.

[Oldskoolg]

It's funny how people don't like corporatists when their skin is melanated!

I’ve sussed the lot of them out mate, when someone says something good about Haymon on comes the opposition. When someone says something good about Hearn, no opposition. When someone says something good about DLH or Arum, no opposition. Microaggressions are real