Comments Thread For: Crawford: Thurman Fight Is Bigger Than Porter Fight, But Thurman's Doing Whatever He's Doing

[MeanestNiceGuy]

They’ll have bud get beat by ennis if he somehow gets through the current big name WWs which I don’t think he will. If he lose to Porter his career basically done. If he comes through with anything less than a spectacular performance he’ll be the over hyped fraud many claim he is. He’s basically a Danny garcia level fighter. That’s not a bad thing DSG is a great fighter in his own right. But they came up together they went 1-1 as amateurs head to head. Compare their resumes. Danny has faced tougher competition in every division you could even say that Dsg would be undefeated like Crawford if he had fought the likes of Ricky burns, Felix diaz, gamboa, indongo. Mean machine, peg leg benevidez, joe horn, ghost of kell Brook. Like Crawford resume is just so barren of any top names in any division he’s ever been in it’s embarrassing lol

And THIS is the reason we aren't getting the fights we want...you know....the "best fighting the best" and such. So, you mean to tell me that a former 130 lb champion, an Undisputed 140 lb champ and a 3-year Welterweight titlist's career is "basically over" if he loses to Porter? Really!?

So WTF has he fought all of his previous bouts if it's just gonna come down to his whole career being a bust because he lost to a former 2-time Welterweight champion with what...only 3 losses (none by stoppage)? Crazy.

It's ****** fans like you who put fighters on these mythical pedestals then cry "hype job" when they lose one fight- such a casual. The sport really doesn't need your "logic" and observation. A total waste, if I've ever seen such.

So answer this, genius....if Porter beats Crawford....what does that make him? If people give Porter his proverbial flowers for beating a TOP Welterweight in Crawford, then that means Crawford isn't this pending "hype job" or "fraud" that you speak of.

And to hell with Crawford's resume because you're using it to yet again discredit him...you still want to see him defeated, so what does that say about the type of fighter he is? You're just a hater, bro. Admit it and set yourself free.

[SteveM]

WTF are you even talking about? Who said I was "invested" in anybody?!

You can't be this off, but let me help me you...Crawford's a 3-division champion....undisputed in one division, to be exact. What has Ortiz and Ennis done thus far? Hell, Ortiz was afraid to mention Crawford's name after the Kavaliauskas fight, which tells me that your ignorant ass along with the rest of the Ortiz flunkies are the only ones who want that fight. Not your guy.

Why should Crawford care about where Ennis and Ortiz are on this mythical "ferris" wheel you speak of? Hell, Crawford was putting in work before anybody really knew who Spence was, and I say that as respectfully as possible.

If he played his cards right and invested in his career (e.g., keep winning to raise your profile, call out guys whether the fight will happen or not, stand firm on your business decisions) like the smart fighters do by their early 30's, he'd find himself in a position to face all top guys for the biggest paydays before he retires. He really doesn't have to break his neck to face Ortiz and Ennis when he's the champion with better fights on the horizon. They'd have to prove themselves worthy of a shot at the top...especially if Crawford beats Porter and faces...let's say, Ugas or Thurman.

Let's be honest here, if Bud beats Porter next month and TR was willing to do business with PBC because of it, half of yall wouldn't even be spewing this Ortiz and Boots mess. You'd immediately go back to naming Thurman, Spence, Ugas and a few others. And Thurman's right where he needs to be and you'll be right in front of the tv when he decides to fight again. Why are you talking like you're his manager anyway? Keith doesn't have to do anything we say...I just know the same complainers want their complaints validated, so they'll be tuned in like you.

Some of yall are really sickening around here, I swear.

You say you're not invested in Crawford and then this diatribe - lol ok

Crawford did great at 135 and 140. That's history - for the historians who want to talk about his legacy. But right now, right at this time in 2020,21 and 22 - for a number of reasons, he hasn't until this Porter fight fought an 'elite' WW. But Porter is elite because of his resume, not because of his skills. Anyone with an ounce of boxing fan experience can see that on a skills level, Ennis is on a par with Bud. Ortiz maybe a bit less but more durable than either. That's it. Deny it all you want but the visuals are right there for those who want to see 'em.

[SteveM]

The name of the game is not skill in this post Mayweather era it's money, it's all about the money.

Ennis is still a relative unknown, although better skilled than Ortiz IMO. Ortiz on the other hand is far better promoted and for that reason Ortiz is in a excellent position to get a fight with a top dog. Again, it's about money, not skill, fighters on the down side have a name with value and on the down side they present a manageable risk vs reward. When Bud starts to miss a step everyone will start offering him contracts instead of the other way around.

As for Keith, Keith Thurman is a name today, a known commodity with PPV value, it's just that as simple...

Agree with everything there (maybe disagree that Ennis is a relative unknown - to the casual fan yes, but every single boxing professional invested in the WW divisions knows EVERYTHING about Boots - except the limit of his upside potential) - great understanding - pity others here can't see it the way it is.

[SteveM]

And THIS is the reason we aren't getting the fights we want...you know....the "best fighting the best" and such. So, you mean to tell me that a former 130 lb champion, an Undisputed 140 lb champ and a 3-year Welterweight titlist's career is "basically over" if he loses to Porter? Really!?

So WTF has he fought all of his previous bouts if it's just gonna come down to his whole career being a bust because he lost to a former 2-time Welterweight champion with what...only 3 losses (none by stoppage)? Crazy.

It's ****** fans like you who put fighters on these mythical pedestals then cry "hype job" when they lose one fight- such a casual. The sport really doesn't need your "logic" and observation. A total waste, if I've ever seen such.

So answer this, genius....if Porter beats Crawford....what does that make him? If people give Porter his proverbial flowers for beating a TOP Welterweight in Crawford, then that means Crawford isn't this pending "hype job" or "fraud" that you speak of.

And to hell with Crawford's resume because you're using it to yet again discredit him...you still want to see him defeated, so what does that say about the type of fighter he is? You're just a hater, bro. Admit it and set yourself free.

If you were a character in Reservoir Dogs - Tarentino would have Harvey Keitel tell you to "calm your agitated ass the fuck down" - but you're just some numpty spitting his coffee all over the keyboard.

Nobody should be saying that Crawford is not a great fighter. He is. Period. But at the same time Crawford is completely wrong when he insinuated that Thurman is the best fight out there in the WW division after Porter [assuming he thinks Spence is M.I.A] - right now there's a lot of people who think that both Ennis and Ortiz (based on what we've seen to date) - give Bud a MUCH harder fight than Porter or Thurman.

[Bronx2245]

What about the Welterweight champion Errol Spence ?

Of course, that's the target for Crawford, and rightfully so! However, if he can't get that, he can't act like there are not alternatives! Boots may not have a big fan base, but Vergil Ortiz Jr. does! If he wants a real challenge, he can give Boots a shot! If he wants a challenge, and asses in seats, then choose Vergil Ortiz Jr.! Keith Thurman is NOT acceptable, unless he beat one of the YGs I just mentioned! When they asked Thurman about Boots, he said, "I never heard of him!" LMAO!

[MeanestNiceGuy]

You say you're not invested in Crawford and then this diatribe - lol ok

Crawford did great at 135 and 140. That's history - for the historians who want to talk about his legacy. But right now, right at this time in 2020,21 and 22 - for a number of reasons, he hasn't until this Porter fight fought an 'elite' WW. But Porter is elite because of his resume, not because of his skills. Anyone with an ounce of boxing fan experience can see that on a skills level, Ennis is on a par with Bud. Ortiz maybe a bit less but more durable than either. That's it. Deny it all you want but the visuals are right there for those who want to see 'em.

FOH! Nobody said Porter was "elite" and truthfully....elite fighters are much harder to come by than people think. Most would argue that Canelo's elite...some, not so much. This has been a discussion for years now. If anything, "Elite" and "ATG" is subjective and those discussions rarely end in agreements.

You're still trying to get around Crawford's accomplishments while alluding to Porter's as something greater. Yes, he fought damn near everybody but that was due to his promotional/management situation. You know damn well Porter's gonna get crazy respect for beating Crawford, so why can't Crawford get that same respect for beating Porter.

And you still wont stop mentioning a prospect in Ennis and a contender in Ortiz....neither of them holds a candle to Crawford right now and really shouldn't be part of this discussion. He's nowhere near on his way out of the sport, so why hype up prospects and contenders who clearly doesn't want it?

It makes ZERO sense and you still wont acknowledge the FACTS.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

If you were a character in Reservoir Dogs - Tarentino would have Harvey Keitel tell you to "calm your agitated ass the fuck down" - but you're just some numpty spitting his coffee all over the keyboard.

Nobody should be saying that Crawford is not a great fighter. He is. Period. But at the same time Crawford is completely wrong when he insinuated that Thurman is the best fight out there in the WW division after Porter [assuming he thinks Spence is M.I.A] - right now there's a lot of people who think that both Ennis and Ortiz (based on what we've seen to date) - give Bud a MUCH harder fight than Porter or Thurman.

Neither of you little ****kickers have answered any of my questions...you simply talk around the points you tried to make and you move the goal post,.

Yeah, a Thurman fight would be a great option for Bud at this point. It'll be another sign that fans are getting closer to him possibly fighting Spence. If not, he would at least have fought Porter and Thurman...Spence never fought Thurman and Thurman fought Pacquiao...I'd say that's a decent addition to Bud's resume for what it's worth.

You guys are just ****** for this Ennis and Ortiz crap. Again, IF Al called Bob after Porter/Crawford and said, "Hey, Bob...let's do another one."....yall would be jumping like little school girls and rattling off your fantasy fights...so STFU about these guys NOBODY knows about outside of hardcore boxing fans.

And yes, one of yall losers are saying Crawford's a fraud and so on....I just can't remember which one said it. If you're not saying that about Crawford then leave it to those who've said it...we don't need more sandbox fights here because people are trying to defend blaring idiots.

[Dip_Slide]

Keith is retired in my eyes and if Terence fights him next, it would be a fight against a retired fighter in my eyes and I won't even watch it. Keith has to convince us that he's still a fighter, which I don't believe he is.

[Ry92]

Relax...

Keith drives a Prius for ****s sake....I doubt he's out here blowing through cash when he knows he's injured without a fight in the talks.

Stop counting his pockets.

Shhh if your injured for years at a time its called retire or go get disability if you cant work for such long periods at time. Dudes a joke just as much as bud yet atleast bud fights it might be can openers til porter but were still fights. Thurman i see talking as much as bradley n ward yet they're retired n news analyst is there job.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Keith is retired in my eyes and if Terence fights him next, it would be a fight against a retired fighter in my eyes and I won't even watch it. Keith has to convince us that he's still a fighter, which I don't believe he is.

Not just that. Keef is injury prone and a shell of the fighter he once was.

Thus, I'm not surprised Crawford would prefer that over Shawn Porter who damn near beat Spence AND is fresh off a dominant win against the undefeated IBO Welterweight Champion.