Why Do People In The UK Like Anthony Joshua so much more than Fury?

[Smash]

You mean the man below is discriminated against:

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This Irish guy who changed his name to an English name until he was exposed and has been the most radical "English" nationalist for over a decade now.

good con artist so, ill bet he put on an nice english accent too, fitted in nicely with the local lads, thats the way to do it

[TMLT87]

"like" is an oversimplification. AJ is more appealing to advertisers etc because of the way he looks, and is a safer bet for mainstream talk show etc appearances because hes less likely to say or do something controversial.

Another aspect is the olympic success for AJ (and those olympics were held in the UK remember) and also that Fury "retired" after the Wlad fight just as he was gaining mainstream momentum, and hes mostly been in America since he came back.

[BangEM]

good con artist so, ill bet he put on an nice english accent too, fitted in nicely with the local lads, thats the way to do it

At the emboldened - isn't that what Tyson Fury is as well?

Lest I forget, the likes of Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Steve McManaman, Jamie Carragher, and Steven Gerrard (I think) are all of Irish descent who're Scousers.

Care to tell me how they have ever been discriminated against?

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At the emboldened - isn't that what Tyson Fury is as well?

Lest I forget, the likes of Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Steve McManaman, Jamie Carragher, and Steven Gerrard (I think) are all of Irish descent who're Scousers.

Care to tell me how they have ever been discriminated against?

why would i bother they have nothing to do with irish travellers, no connection whatsoever

[BangEM]

why would i bother they have nothing to do with irish travellers, no connection whatsoever

But this was yer earlier post:

ill bet u ordinary irish get it too in the uk, they just have to shutup about it and not rock the boat and be thankful they are not travellers or live in a caravan with crappy toilets, i read lots of anti irish stuff on uk message boards actually, u might be surprised

Having amnesia now, are we?

All the footballers I listed have Irish last names like a lot of travellers and they look like the average travellers. The only difference is that they don't live in caravans.

So if those footballers were never discriminated against - why would anyone discriminate against travellers apart from things they provoked?

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At the emboldened - isn't that what Tyson Fury is as well?
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tyson fury got lucky, as far as i can see his dad somehow managed to build a house for him and the family, probably crime money who knows, hes one step from the caravan lifestyle and im sure he has been around it too just not living it, it actually im sure allowed him to live healthy and actually concentrate on boxing properly and be a success, he became a settled traveller and a successful, he says the things he does and can get away with it because he can win boxing matches in american and germany, does he have any endorsements like joshua does? i dont know u can tell me

[BangEM]

tyson fury got lucky, as far as i can see his dad somehow managed to build a house for him and the family, probably crime money who knows, hes one step from the caravan lifestyle and im sure he has been around it too just not living it, it actually im sure allowed him to live healthy and actually concentrate on boxing properly and be a success, he became a settled traveller and a successful, he says the things he does and can get away with it because he can win boxing matches in american and germany, does he have any endorsements like joshua does? i dont know u can tell me

No, most travellers don't live in caravan. A lot of them are born into middle class families just like Fury.

AJ on the other hand grew up in a council estate with his mum.

He doesn't have a lot of endorsements because of his image and things he said. What has that got to do with boxing? Boxers don't get endorsements due to their image. Mayweather also never had any apart from Hublot later in his career. AJ is an outlier and that's mostly due to how he presents himself.

There's no gypsy conspiracy with endorsements from private companies who have an image to protect, you complete helmet.

[Smash]

But this was yer earlier post:



Having amnesia now, are we?

All the footballers I listed have Irish last names like a lot of travellers and they look like the average travellers. The only difference is that they don't live in caravans.

So if those footballers were never discriminated against - why would anyone discriminate against travellers apart from things they provoked?

damn what u on about, they are successful sports people just like fury, they have talent and have made it on that talent, i cant say what their lives have been like, noone can, thats impossible, if rooney ended up down and out alco then who can say

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No, most travellers don't live in caravan. A lot of them are born into middle class families just like Fury.

AJ on the other hand grew up in a council estate with his mum.

u have no clue about travellers thats clear, they are all middle class LOL

aj is the posh boy trying to be tough but hes not, u the clown here

[KingGilgamesh]

Its complicated.

Joshua was more popular for vast chunk of their recent careers. Kinda justifiably so. He was active, competed in the olympics, didn't get banned for Nandrolone, etc.

At the same time, I always feel the UK struggles to embrace more talented fighters if they're more "problematic". Lewis similarly didn't do much to ingratiate himself with the public and thus was largely treated with less affection than Bruno, his inferior rival. To most genuine fight fans, Fury has always, ALWAYS been considered the better boxer. I've not met a single guy in any gym who would have put AJ over him, even before his wins over Wilder.

Then again, you also have British politics which has further complicated things. Fury wasn't really all that popular back in 2016 with his comments on gays and women. If you check out his infamous Channel 4 interviews, you can clearly a lot of the discourse being around how much of a wanker he is. Problem is, the UK has been steadily shifting increasingly to the right for the past decade. Whilst the conservative government has been in power since 2010, it was mostly governed by Teresa May/Cameron types...centre righties. That took a MAJOR shift once Brexit happened. The government started pandering to the right and, in turn, guys like Fury turned from beligerant drug cheats, to downtrodden working class "men of the people". Just read the comments about him in the Daily Mail and its kinda incredible how public opinion has turned so swiftly. You then add Joshua comments during the 2020 BLM protests and I think it was pretty much a wrap for his mainstream popularity outside of young millennial/urban boxing fans.

I think Fury has captured the public imagination of the UK for the forseeable future. I suspect his next PPV will likely outsell Joshua's. Whether that becomes a permanent fixture is yet to be seen. After all, you're only one bad performance from the proverbial dustheap. One thing that is interesting though, is that I think the fairweather white racists have definitely found a new god in Fury. Whilst I often remember a lot of white viewers clinging to eastern european "great white hopes", EE's for the large part have too big a cultural gulf to be considered ideological compatriots. Fury changes this now. I legit think he will become the new McGregor in the US at least.