Does Sanchez technical skills on the same level as Usyk

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  • billeau2
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    #41
    Originally posted by PBR Streetgang
    I agree with your take on Sanchez and especially the bold. His fight against Dawejko was brutal to watch because Sanchez was willing to just do enough to win each round but wouldn't actually up the pace.

    Ajagba had shown some red flags prior to the Sanchez fight. Besides getting dropped by Kiladze, he didn't look all that impressive against Cojanu and he fought sedately against Rice.

    I think Frank is skilled and I think he'd handle himself relatively well against top guys but I'm not sure he'd beat them.
    Ajagba like all the guys coming up to grab the gold ring, had a jump up on the careasel but couldn't grab the ring...Prospects are all talented, determined and able... but there are, as they say, different levels to the game. Its not a death sentence for Ajagba, but realistically, most guys will "get exposed" before they are able to settle in to the division as a legitimate ****er. Look what happened to Berlanga!

    Sanchez has experience. People say things like "the Cuban fighters never reach their potential" but I don't agree with that... Guys like Odinar Solis, Gonzalez, and even Ortiz, fight up on the ladder, beat a lot of good fighters... Thats pretty damn good considering not everyone can be champion. Take Gonzalez... he beat a lot of excellent fighters, and lost to a motivated Rid**** Bowe... I mean you could do worse!

    I have a strong bias towards the Cubans because they tend to emphasize technical skills and I like that. But with that said I don't know how I feel about Sanchez. He looks to me like a guy who will do what most of the other Cuban guys did: beat some good fighters and get beat, not be prepared, etc for guys at the top of the division.

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      #42
      Originally posted by billeau2

      People do not look at skills, and they often do comparisons with irrational bias'. Case in point: in a division that is chronically weak, the fact that one guy fought better competition is not that big of an indicator of ability. But... people would have to take the time and look at film, and break down what a fighter is truly capable of doing... too much work lol.
      Completely agree mate, spot on.

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        #43
        Originally posted by billeau2

        Ajagba like all the guys coming up to grab the gold ring, had a jump up on the careasel but couldn't grab the ring...Prospects are all talented, determined and able... but there are, as they say, different levels to the game. Its not a death sentence for Ajagba, but realistically, most guys will "get exposed" before they are able to settle in to the division as a legitimate ****er. Look what happened to Berlanga!

        Sanchez has experience. People say things like "the Cuban fighters never reach their potential" but I don't agree with that... Guys like Odinar Solis, Gonzalez, and even Ortiz, fight up on the ladder, beat a lot of good fighters... Thats pretty damn good considering not everyone can be champion. Take Gonzalez... he beat a lot of excellent fighters, and lost to a motivated Rid**** Bowe... I mean you could do worse!

        I have a strong bias towards the Cubans because they tend to emphasize technical skills and I like that. But with that said I don't know how I feel about Sanchez. He looks to me like a guy who will do what most of the other Cuban guys did: beat some good fighters and get beat, not be prepared, etc for guys at the top of the division.
        I do understand what you are saying, but I think Sanchez will go farther than the previous Cuban HW'S. First, like Ortiz he keeps himself in shape. Oldanier as soon as he got here, ballooned to 300 pounds. Gonzalez never had a trainer, so your guess how he kept himself in shape, is as good as mine. There's another Cuban Hw, Bruzon, that he looks really good, Laruet is another one, which I don't think he can go far unless he checks his appetite, missing another one, Pero, I think is his name, never see him fight. Time will tell. Then we got(non-Heavyweight) William Scull, Yolevis Gomez, Morell Jr., Ariel Perez, Jailer Lopez, Matellon, Argilagos, Robeisy Ramirez, these are young prospects with a genuine shot at a Belt. They are others that I didn't mention because I haven't seen them fight. Check Gomez, the kid is very explosive with both hands. Be safe.
        Last edited by BendOver; 10-14-2021, 04:02 PM.

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          #44
          Originally posted by BendOver

          I do understand what you are saying, but I think Sanchez will go farther than the previous Cuban HW'S. First, like Ortiz he keeps himself in shape. Oldanier as soon as he got here, ballooned to 300 pounds. Gonzalez never had a trainer, so your guess how he kept himself in shape, is as good as mine. There's another Cuban Hw, Bruzon, that he looks really good, Laruet is another one, which I don't think he can go far unless he checks his appetite, missing another one, Pero, I think is his name, never see him fight. Time will tell. Then we got(non-Heavyweight) William Scull, Yolevis Gomez, Morell Jr., Ariel Perez, Jailer Lopez, Matellon, Argilagos, Robeisy Ramirez, these are young prospects with a genuine shot at a Belt. They are others that I didn't mention because I haven't seen them fight. Check Gomez, the kid is very explosive with both hands. Be safe.
          The Cubans are a small island nation yet produce many fine fighters... I think they all have talent. At the end of the day becoming a champion involves a lot more than just being capable of boxing at the highest level. My favorite from the group was Solis. He was immeasurably talented, yet he could not stay in shape... It is an irony, and proof that the Most High has a sense of irony... that Solis literally collapsed by his own weight against his leg...

          Sanchez could go far. We have to see how much he wants it... And if he can get the fights he needs... if he is lucky...all the things that have to line up lol. You have a very good knowledge of these Cuban prospects... thats admirable! I see what i can find on Youtube and usually I can find quite a bit on who is coming up, so I will keep an eye out.

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            #45
            Originally posted by billeau2

            The Cubans are a small island nation yet produce many fine fighters... I think they all have talent. At the end of the day becoming a champion involves a lot more than just being capable of boxing at the highest level. My favorite from the group was Solis. He was immeasurably talented, yet he could not stay in shape... It is an irony, and proof that the Most High has a sense of irony... that Solis literally collapsed by his own weight against his leg...

            Sanchez could go far. We have to see how much he wants it... And if he can get the fights he needs... if he is lucky...all the things that have to line up lol. You have a very good knowledge of these Cuban prospects... thats admirable! I see what i can find on Youtube and usually I can find quite a bit on who is coming up, so I will keep an eye out.
            Thank you, is not everyday that we can exchange opinions, without the haters, racist or trolling tag. Ariel Perez, Bruzon and Gomez arrived in Vegas last month. Salas is training them. And they are not padding their record. Be safe.

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              #46
              Sanchez has that Cuban elusiveness style along with good speed and explosive power. Not sure if it's better but it's definitely of note. Usyk would try his best to avoid shots from him.
              Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 10-14-2021, 09:27 PM.

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                #47
                The Cuban flash is awesome. Is shows how good this era is that he is barely a dot on the scene, whereas let's say if he was in the weak 90s era with the likes of bum-bully Mike, and Chicken Bowe, he would have been undisputed for a decade. Nash out.

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                  #48
                  anyone else?

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