Is this the new Fury or

[Dakuwaqa]

was the size and style specifically for Wilder?

I think Fury is the best HW (certainly based on accomplishments and such) but that version last night wasn't. It was effective but as a Fury fan I'm a little concerned moving forward.

The plan was obviously to come in heavy, maul bird legs, lay on him and wear him out but I am hoping this isn't Fury having to adapt and revamp his style because to me he looked very slow, sluggish. His upper body movement was nothing like we're used to seeing and he was getting hit by some silly stuff by his standards.

Its more entertaining for fans but I am a bit dubious of this new 'Kronk' style Fury. I wouldn't even call it that its more Khabib style.

I think Usyk and Sanchez would cause him fits if he prepares and plans to fight in such a manner then again can he even box with them?
Don't get it twisted thinking he took Wilders shots, there are different types of power and these guys are much faster, more precise and fire off angles. They don't load up like Wilder.
I am very disappointed Fury walked into that shot, **** happens, moment of madness maybe he switched off for a second but I thought it was a silly shot to get hit with and he did repeatably after. I just think he is a better fighter than that.

I'm intrigued I think Usyk and Sanchez's lateral movement, faints, level changing can negate Furys mauling and leaning tactics. They're not going to remain stationary, leaning in or throwing shots from too far out.
I'm hoping he employed this in both fights as he seen the obvious holes in Wilders game and no two fights are the same but I am not sure similar strategies work with Usyk or Sanchez, I think it plays into their strengths.
Neither will be leaning in inviting it. They will be constantly moving, fainting, setting traps and both have much faster feet and hands than a 277lb Fury. Tyson is very fast for a 6'9 guy but last night he looked more like a typical 6'9 guy.

I don't care who wins these 3 are my favourite HWs. I have no dog in these fights.

Don't know much about Sanchez. Just looked at his wikipedia and highlights. Seems like he didn't have a particular impressive amateur career (at least compared to many Cuban Pro boxers).

How highly do you rate him? Seems like there have been an infinite number of cuban pros that having lived up to their potential

[billeau2]

was the size and style specifically for Wilder?

I think Fury is the best HW (certainly based on accomplishments and such) but that version last night wasn't. It was effective but as a Fury fan I'm a little concerned moving forward.

The plan was obviously to come in heavy, maul bird legs, lay on him and wear him out but I am hoping this isn't Fury having to adapt and revamp his style because to me he looked very slow, sluggish. His upper body movement was nothing like we're used to seeing and he was getting hit by some silly stuff by his standards.

Its more entertaining for fans but I am a bit dubious of this new 'Kronk' style Fury. I wouldn't even call it that its more Khabib style.

I think Usyk and Sanchez would cause him fits if he prepares and plans to fight in such a manner then again can he even box with them?
Don't get it twisted thinking he took Wilders shots, there are different types of power and these guys are much faster, more precise and fire off angles. They don't load up like Wilder.
I am very disappointed Fury walked into that shot, **** happens, moment of madness maybe he switched off for a second but I thought it was a silly shot to get hit with and he did repeatably after. I just think he is a better fighter than that.

I'm intrigued I think Usyk and Sanchez's lateral movement, faints, level changing can negate Furys mauling and leaning tactics. They're not going to remain stationary, leaning in or throwing shots from too far out.
I'm hoping he employed this in both fights as he seen the obvious holes in Wilders game and no two fights are the same but I am not sure similar strategies work with Usyk or Sanchez, I think it plays into their strengths.
Neither will be leaning in inviting it. They will be constantly moving, fainting, setting traps and both have much faster feet and hands than a 277lb Fury. Tyson is very fast for a 6'9 guy but last night he looked more like a typical 6'9 guy.

I don't care who wins these 3 are my favourite HWs. I have no dog in these fights.

Dan... great minds are in the same gutter. Fury looked terrible weight wise, he was too heavy. He is an accurate hitter... that saved him. But I don't like the extra weight, it throws off a lot of other stuff, even if it is part of the "Wilder" strategy.

[Damn Wicked]

I think he’ll employ both tactics depending on the fighter he faces.

He did look more out of shape than usual. I’m not sure why that is…Was it neglect, laziness, and/ or not respecting the abilities of Wilder. If it was any of those reasons, then that is a bad sign. Any top fighter must know that they need to bring their A game every time they fight, even if it’s against a B or C level fighter because everyone has a chance to pull off an upset. Fury needs to be careful about being overconfident. He looked really sure of himself again last night and that’s a good thing BUT he better not slack off when he’s preparing for fights or he’s going to find himself with a loss and maybe KO’d.

I think guys like Usyk and Sanchez could give him fits and possibly win though I’d favour Fury. I think Joshua would be just as dangerous as Wilder if not more but Fury has the will power, ruggedness and awkward style that would be difficult for Joshua to beat. Also Fury’s endurance seems extraordinary for such a large guy.

[billeau2]

Don't know much about Sanchez. Just looked at his wikipedia and highlights. Seems like he didn't have a particular impressive amateur career (at least compared to many Cuban Pro boxers).

How highly do you rate him? Seems like there have been an infinite number of cuban pros that having lived up to their potential

I always sort of chuckle about the ubiquitious statement that Cuban pros do not live up to their potential. Thats kind of like telling Neil's Bohr (who schematized the atom) that he never lived up to his potential because he did not win the Nobel Prize... Most Cuban fighters do very well in the pros... Even a fighter that does well, may often not win titles, or lose to the very top level of competition. Cuban heavyweights usually have excellent careers, but wining titles, etc are a very selective few. Take last night's fight for example... how many human beings can stand up like Wilder did, and take such abuse to continue and persevere? Yur probably talking about a small percent of 1% at most...

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Dan... great minds are in the same gutter. Fury looked terrible weight wise, he was too heavy. He is an accurate hitter... that saved him. But I don't like the extra weight, it throws off a lot of other stuff, even if it is part of the "Wilder" strategy.

I think the extra weight helped him absorb the punches better and his speed doesn’t seem effected by the weight . Fury looked sloppier this time but he didn’t have the same preparation this time , I’d say the weight secured a win fir him as long as he didn’t get hurt where he couldn’t defend himself after a knockdown . I’d also say Wilder made a great adjustment like I said he would stiff jab Furys body the problem was he didn’t mix up the sequences and became predictable,it’s like he can only do one thing at a time in there it’s weird .

Anyway a 6”9 270 plus guy makes the fight more difficult the way he fights and zaps guys energy quicker at least it looks like that .

[billeau2]

I think the extra weight helped him absorb the punches better and his speed doesn’t seem effected by the weight . Fury looked sloppier this time but he didn’t have the same preparation this time , I’d say the weight secured a win fir him as long as he didn’t get hurt where he couldn’t defend himself after a knockdown . I’d also say Wilder made a great adjustment like I said he would stiff jab Furys body the problem was he didn’t mix up the sequences and became predictable,it’s like he can only do one thing at a time in there it’s weird .

Anyway a 6”9 270 plus guy makes the fight more difficult the way he fights and zaps guys energy quicker at least it looks like that .

Well... there are rumors he was not triaining for a while because of his kid having problems at birth... I don't know if he made the best of it by using the weight because it was there, or if he came in heavy to try to maul Wilder. Fury always is an accurate puncher, and it did not seem to affect his speed.

I would hope if he fights a more technical fighter like Usyk, or Sanchez, he loses that weight and comes in just north of 250.

[deathofaclown]

Sanchez is just another overhyped Cuban bum
like Ortiz, Perez and Solis. They were all hyped up, people have short memories.

and he’s about 40 really. He looked decent against Ajagba who is extremely limited.

he will get cleaned out before he ever gets to level of fighting someone like Fury.

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Well... there are rumors he was not triaining for a while because of his kid having problems at birth... I don't know if he made the best of it by using the weight because it was there, or if he came in heavy to try to maul Wilder. Fury always is an accurate puncher, and it did not seem to affect his speed.

I would hope if he fights a more technical fighter like Usyk, or Sanchez, he loses that weight and comes in just north of 250.

I don’t know he’s not much slower then those guys and he has a 85 inch reach so ? I believe a 265 pound Fury vs Usyk is reasonable. I really can’t see Usyk winning that fight tbh no matter what Fury weighs it’s just a bad style for Usyk ,Wallin got away with many things mainly because he’s near 6”6 and Fury wasn’t in the best of shape .

[billeau2]

I don’t know he’s not much slower then those guys and he has a 85 inch reach so ? I believe a 265 pound Fury vs Usyk is reasonable. I really can’t see Usyk winning that fight tbh no matter what Fury weighs it’s just a bad style for Usyk ,Wallin got away with many things mainly because he’s near 6”6 and Fury wasn’t in the best of shape .

265 is good... I mean no fighter wants to come in to a fight with a large weight gain, or loss. I would love to see 260 if possible. We have to consider something here. When has Fury fought a small, mobile, technically gifted fighter? Fury has the brains to make adjustments, and of course he can find a gaggle of such guys for the training camp... Its not a death sentence for Fury lol... But its kind of unknown territory.

This is a point where we might bring up fights like the Cunningham fight. Cunningham was imo an underated puncher, who had good mobility. Fury beat him by smothering him. How would USyk deal with a physical heavyweight who can smother him? Chisora is not an inside fighting guy, neither is Joshua, so those fights do not tell us much. If you look at Usyk fighting cruiser, he generally was the stronger physically. The Michael Hunter fight is a great example of this. Usyk uses his strength to push Hunter around, to set up his punching. That aint happening with Fury.

I would say that Fury is an unknown to Usyk, and that well could mean a bad match up for him. But Fury has not been steller against smaller guys who had some strength, mobility and a punch. I think Cunningham has a stronger punch than Usyk, but not the accuracy, nor the mobility of Usyk... much less the talent that Usyk brings to the ring. Im thinking this through... Its a real interesting match up.

[creekrat77]

He said himself he wasn't in good shape after being out for almost 2 years again