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No. Power isn't the way to beat guys like May. One has to be smarter (good luck).Comment
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I like Oscar but he doesn’t have canelos Skill power ring IQ and strengthComment
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Context is everything. Oscar wasn’t deprived at 154. Canelo was 152. A huge amount of power is depleted towards fight night. When Floyd felt Canelo’s power he didn’t play rope a dope with Canelo like others. That’s why Floyd never wanted Canelo’s Middleweight belt. Too strong. Dehydration and performance goes a long way
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Floyd schooled the sht out of Canelo, boxing at range is not affected by a CW like it is with two punchers going at it in a pressure fight, Canelo outweighed Floyd by 16 pounds it never came into it, same as Oscar whom had nearly 20lbs on him, the reason it don't matter is the speed and timing of Floyds feet and how he controls distance, just too quick everywhere, like another poster said you gotta hit Floyd clean with big shots Oscar nor Canelo could hit him, Canelo even said I just couldn't hit him and I tried my hardest.
Context is everything. Oscar wasn’t deprived at 154. Canelo was 152. A huge amount of power is depleted towards fight night. When Floyd felt Canelo’s power he didn’t play rope a dope with Canelo like others. That’s why Floyd never wanted Canelo’s Middleweight belt. Too strong. Dehydration and performance goes a long wayComment
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The more time goes on it’s apparent how thin Canelo was against Floyd. History will show Canelo at the weigh in looking significantly different than his post career, so put it together even casuals understand performance with weight. Canelo looked thin back then even on fight night. Canelo as well as GGG even drained for 160. Difference is that Canelo added weight transitioning to 160 yet still had to drain. Canelo was 165lbs with Floyd. That seems about right since he looked 5lbs less with Floyd vs the 1st GGG weigh in. To put it into clear perspective, Canelo looked filled against the first Fielding weigh in, tip top. I saw Canelo gained about 5lbs after the Kovalev weigh in. That’s a leap from 165 to 180lbz. That’s 15lbs of performance difference. Hence, Canelo isn’t draining anymore. That’s why he is so calm and relaxed today. Remember that Floyd couldn’t even gamble 2lbs for Marquez. Some fighters are really insecure with dehydration for the following day, Floyd was one of them. That’s why Floyd needed his IV for “severe dehydration.” Floyd was already draining for 147. Lara added more than 10lbs each fight at 154 yet he still looked like a toothpick.
Boxing is a gamble between fighters because of scales. Remember Crawford would gain close to 20lbs when he was at 135. 20lbs in the context of Olympic performance is ludicrous. No other sport does that than boxing. Canelo paid his dues and he said, angry at Oscar, that he would never let that happen again.Comment
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Only got to the first comment and the ridiculousness stopped me reading any more spin, I guess as time went on Manny wasn't a flyweight, Tyson Fury started out at 1lb and today he is 270. all got be a lie people don't grow and get bigger because it makes their old self look like a drowned rat, Manny wasn't a flyweight and Fury is a one-pound HW champ.
Canelos feet will never catch Floyd, 2 pounds will make no difference at all in that race, now if Floyd stood in front of him like Manny would the weight makes a lot of difference, I know in your Swiss cheese narrative people are all the same as are CWs, but the reality of physics shows how wrong you are. people are very different and the effects of CWs are also very different for individuals and their particular style, a 20lb CW would have no negative effect on Butterbean where a single pound could crucify 118 pounders. it is all subjective.
Go watch Canelo GGG 1, and then watch Canelo Floyd,,,,,,,tell me which version of Canelo had the more endurance, he couldn't catch Floyd that's why he lost so badly, speed experience and the fact Mayweather is one of the most gifted boxers to ever lace them up, a massive weight handicap is the only thing that could beat Floyd, that's why idiots keep throwing up MWS because any fantasy win makes the twisted fcks feel good lol.Comment
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Have you seen proto Manny at Flyweight?! This kid was towering his opponents like a Margarito. The tape is all there. I even seen the propaganda of making Manny the Victim as “small” when he went pro. That’s all bull shet because Manny was HUGE and draining for Flyweight. Look at his pre fights, there are no opponents bigger than him. That’s why he made a huge leap when he went the Super Bantam route. Going to 18 he was just too big. Genetically PAC is one of them Filipinos that can gain weight easily. Like that Buboy genetic. That’s why PAC could easily do Welterweight. The WBC President had acknowledged Devin Haney gaining 25lbs for night night….
you guys don’t want to acknowledge the scales for performance. It’s not complicatedComment
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Whats hard to understand If MW Canelo caught him like Kirkland its probably game over, thing is the odds are he don't catch Floyd unless you can bring him up to a blimp or be so much bigger like today's Canelo could wrap him up like a bear.
They fought and the CW was not the reason Canelo was schooled by a 36 year old, you can move the goalposts all over the field and it won't ever change what happened for real, Canelos feet and Canelos brain can never catch Mayweather, Floyd wasn't just a great fighter he was in the special class.
The right-hand lead
Why Mayweather's right is the most consistent weapon in boxing
Errol Spence Jr., Current IBF welterweight champ (22-0, 19 KOs): He throws it as a jab, in a way. It comes so fast. A lot of fighters telegraph their punches. He doesn't at all. It's really something that he's just mastered, throwing the straight right and catching guys over and over.
Zab Judah, former two-division world champion: He knows how to throw it, when to throw it, where to throw it, how long to throw it, how short to throw it, how hard to throw it.
Jack Catterall, prospect (18-0, 10 KOs) challenging for a British super lightweight title in October: The way he positions himself, you think there's an opening to land your jab. You think you got your punch, but he does that little shoulder roll and hits you with the right. Or he'll set it up with the jab and trick you into thinking it's an opening -- and it's already a mousetrap that he's set up for the right.
Demarcus Corley, former WBO junior welterweight champion: Floyd throws it like a f---ing snake. He's like a snake that you can't hit, but he keeps striking you.
Body work
The inside story on how he breaks fighters down slowly
Catterall: In close quarters, he kind of holds the left arm like a bar in front of your guard. Then comes the stabbing right hand right above the groin. He's getting that shot off well on the inside. I experienced it. It's not a stabbing pain. It's an ache. The more he touches it, the more intense the pain becomes. You're thinking, I need to block this body shot. What do I need to change? You're trying to figure out how he's taking your body apart. It slows you down, slows your legs down, takes energy from you.
Spence: Those little shots have an effect, shooting the jab in your stomach, which he does a lot, or in a clinch throwing an uppercut to your body. That's a big factor when you're using your legs to move forward to try to catch a guy.
Corley: He's not trying to hurt you; he's trying to let you know, "I'm just taking a little bit out of you. I'm going to break you down eventually." That's something Pernell Whitaker used to do.
Conditioning
He trains so hard, he doesn't get tired -- or tired of talking
Spence: I never saw him breathing hard. He always controls his breathing -- and that's an art. A lot of fighters, you see them breathing out of their mouths. Floyd always breathes out of his nose. He fights in the 12th round like he fought in the first round due to how hard he works. He does mitts for 30 minutes, then hits the bag for 30 minutes straight, then goes running, then goes to play basketball.
Judah: When he trains, he lines up like 15 to 20 sparring partners at a time. I've known him since we were amateurs. He's always done over and beyond what the job consists of. You can't beat someone who's not going to get tired.
Corley: He starts talking to his opponent, and that's something that I experienced in the fight and in camp with him. He's saying, "Eat this! Nope! Nope!"
Catterall: You're tired, and he's still fresh. When he sees that, it's kind of like he's appreciating his own work. He's kind of smiling, thinking, I'm bossing this fight, and you can't do s--- about it. He has not knocked you out, but it's like he's enjoying the fact that he's giving you a calculated beating and you can't do nothing.
Power
Don't worry about knockouts, he can still pack a punch
Spence: I've seen him stop guys in the gym with 16-ounce gloves. Bigger guys. He just beats them up. In his young career, you saw how he was knocking guys out. But now he's got hand problems, so he's not turning with it all the way, not putting 100 percent power into his punches. But he can punch hard. That's why a lot of guys, when he hits them, they start backing up or go on defense. They're not just walking through his punches. You haven't seen anybody who's walking through his punches. Even Marcos Maidana started backing up when Floyd started coming forward.
Corley: His power is the quickness of his punches, the placement. His punch placement is so on point, from the outside it looks like he doesn't hit hard. But when he hits you, you feel like, G--damn, I have to regroup now.
Catterall: The one thing I picked up on in sparring was his accuracy, catching the same spot over and over again. He's very cute with his punches, finding the same little spot. I always like to think I work on my defensive game a lot, so I'm like, F---, how does he keep hitting that same spot? But he always manages to find a way.
Inside the shell
Why Mayweather's shoulder roll is unlike any other fighter's
Catterall: When he's backed up, he'll use the shoulder roll. He'll pull and slip the punch, then he'll take a short little step back and he'll pivot. You'll be there still throwing punches. He makes you think he's there, but then he's off all of a sudden. A lot of fighters try to do it, but it's not a style a lot of fighters can adapt to. It takes years and years of practice. But with Floyd, he can even walk toward you in the shoulder roll and use it to attack more.
Judah: Floyd has been doing that shoulder roll since day one. Since the amateurs, that's the only style he's ever done in boxing. He learned it from his dad and his uncle Roger.
Spence: His right hand is to block the hook, and sometimes he'll block the jab with it. His shoulder is to block the straight right. If I throw an overhand hook, he'll roll it and shoot with the other hand. A lot of guys see the shell and jump in and throw a lot of punches. That's when he shoots down the middle with a straight right or hook and catches you with something crazy.
Corley: He's so elusive -- his movement, his reflexes. When you shoot, he twitches his left shoulder up to block his chin so he can't be hit with a right hook. His right hand is already up to catch anything coming from that side. When they say Floyd doesn't have any balls? You got to have balls to stand and catch a punch, come back with a punch, then get the hell out of there. That takes timing, practice and a lot of heart to stand in the pocket and get your shot off.
The escapist
He commands the ring, even when he's pinned in the corner
Spence: He actually is very physically strong. Even bigger guys can't push him around or throw him around the ring. And you never know what he's going to do. He might stand there and catch it with his elbows or with his hands, shoot something and get out the way. Or he might roll with it and catch you. Or use his legs and slip, slip, slip, and roll around you and make you look silly. You never know.
Catterall: If you have him in the corner or pinned on the ropes, he'll smile at you and wave you on like, "Come on, let's have it." You throw your punches and you might catch him with a shot, but you never seem to catch him clean. He'll somehow just spin off, and you'll feel like you've hit nothing. I believe I've got good timing and good speed, but he has that 1 millisecond where he makes you miss and you think you've got your hand back, but he'll catch you.
A boxing brain
Why Floyd's mind separates him from other fighters
Spence: His eyes are always open. Your mind can't wander; it's a mental workout as much as a physical workout. Fighters throw punches at him, and you see him looking. He moves just enough and never overreacts to a punch. You never see him rattled. When you go back to the corner, he's looking at you, seeing if you're tired.
Catterall: The stuff I was trying to do, within a matter of a round, he'd adjust to it and it'd be time to do something else. Everything I tried, he read it straightaway. His ringcraft is incredible.
Corley: Let's say I catch a person's jab; I'm going to come back with the opposite hand. But for Floyd, his dad and uncle showed him to catch a punch and come back with the same hand. He is the only fighter I know who does that -- only fighter who can, probably -- and the only reason is that he's been programmed from Pampers. He breaks the will of fighters. After a few rounds, you realize it's not what you thought it was going to be. You can't do what you want to do to him. You start questioning yourself. How can I get this guy? What is he doing that I can't catch him?
Judah: He studies your background down to your kids, your wife, who your mama is, who your daddy is. He doesn't watch fights; he prepares for the person. Sometimes when you learn the person, you don't have to learn how they fight.
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