Is AJ the most bizarre boxer since Oliver McCall?

[BangEM]

What I posted isn’t rocket science - it’s basically the reality.

If you don’t agree, ignore the thread. I don’t post on every thread.

[Toffee]

Mike Tyson considers the British to be tougher than Americans when it comes to being game for a fight and I think it’s true. We just get stuck in. Americans sue each other.

The international view of Brits isn't my view of growing up in Liverpool.

If you asked me to describe a stereotypical Brit I'd say up for a laugh, up for a scrap.

Don't worry about the tough talk. As we used to say going into football matches - get your retaliation in first!

[deathofaclown]

The international view of Brits isn't my view of growing up in Liverpool.

If you asked me to describe a stereotypical Brit I'd say up for a laugh, up for a scrap.

Don't worry about the tough talk. As we used to say going into football matches - get your retaliation in first!

It’s true

I’m from the UK, my missus is from Fresno, California and when I’ve been there with her, I see some people get into confrontations that would 100% turn into a scrap where I’m from, but they don’t do it. Maybe it’s the culture of being sued, I don’t know, I found it a bit odd

Imagine British people suing each other or calling the police for having a roll about? It just doesn’t happen. You just get stuck in and if you get a good hiding, tough luck.

guess we can’t stereotype though, It’s mostly down to individual traits and upbringing more than where you are from. My parents only lesson to me was “If someone hits you, hit them back twice as hard”

[Get em up]

You wouldn’t know what brain fart is if I were to cave yer head in with it, you complete helmet.

If you have nothing intelligent to add to a thread - why not piss off and ignore it? Some of you get too brave behind yer keyboard but you won’t in this lifetime or the next walk up to me and say this to my face. That would be the last time you’d ever do that. Suck yer nan!

Ya know I won't argue or threaten across the internet but I will say if I ever had the opportunity to see you face to face you may be surprised at what you would encounter. Yaj ust never know who's on this end of the line buddy.

[PRINCEKOOL]

This thread is in part complete nonsense, ****Em is also projecting in this thread.

****Em knows full well that Tyson Fury, has not lived the live of a bare knuckle fighter. Fury from a young age was wrapped in cotton wool and kept away from that lifestyle. Within their community the Fury's are well respected, and I highly doubt Fury and is siblings were subjected to much abuse. I would imagine Fury has never had to deal with most things kids in inner cities have had to deal with on a daily basis, are there any stories of him having to fight in a school yard? No.

Tyson Fury is the way he is, because innately that is who he is.

Anthony Joshua in contrast has mostly likely for sure lived a more rough life. People must understand that people all have different natures, that brings into discussion? Is it nature or nature, what creates a killer instinct or a tough person? It is a combination of both.

Fighters such as David Haye & Tyson Fury are innately vicious people, at will they can just suddenly decide to switch up on their opponents and enjoy it. Anthony Joshua just like David Price, is no a push over but 'He will only react and defend himself, he will not be the cause of the abuse'.

Anthony Joshua innately is not a vicious person, but I think it is taking it abut too far 'Questioning his blackness'. Black people don't have to act a certain way, and talking about men in general. MEN, don't have to group themselves with anyone 'They should have the ability to stand alone' not only in person, but in style and demeanor.

It is actually weaker men who get overly influenced by their environment 'Or a demographic of people'. There are two types of men 'Men who get overly influenced by their environment, or men that influenced their environment'.

And it does no matter, what a mass of people think about you. It does no matter whether you are popular or not 'If people mock you, or try and be opportunistic towards you'. If you can walk among chaos, if you can deal with the mockers and weasels 'And still not deviate from what makes you', that is a man, that is individual.

I would watch people in my life, continually go through phases in their life. One minute they are dressing like Goth's, the next minute they are being overtaken by basketball culture and so on 'And because these people are with the crowds and they know a few names 'They think this is toughness, they think this is what cultivates man' It is not what cultivates man.

Now is not a time for Anthony Joshua 'To start being all matey matey, with some black folk in a inner city like a complete weasel' begging to be influenced. Now is a time for Anthony Joshua to face himself, we can all do it 'But most people continually distract themselves, with crowds, with social media, with their own mouth'.

****Em, since Joshua's defeat you are going through phases of grief 'Joshua is most likely somebody who you projected a aspect of yourself onto'. And because a situation has arisen, a result has come about which YOU do not agree with 'You are just completely all over the place with this'.

First you jumped off the **** wagon. Innately deep down this is what you want to do, I pointed this out to you 'The day before the fight and you reacted extremely hostile, because you knew deep what I was saying was right'.

Then you blamed everyone around Anthony Joshua, and finally you have come to now insult and demean Joshua's very character as a man.

Note: You have to accept that Joshua may have just found his level. For me that is not my belief, because I am actually adamant that Anthony Joshua wins the rematch via stoppage. And it is not about him hanging about, begging to be influenced by some hoodlums. It is about Anthony Joshua first and foremost facing himself 'Then coming to a understanding that his approach to the game is not nourishing his strengths'. For some unknown reason, Joshua felt the need to completely change his approach to the sport 'And his game has regressed both technically, and physically because of it'.

It is all documented, if Joshua wants to reintroduce his former training and lifestyle he can. Joshua knows that, if he really wanted to 'He could completely change his dimensions, and still function'. Joshua at 252 pounds fought at a higher intensity against a by far better opponent in Wladimir Kiltschko 'That fight was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'. But I am not demanding that Joshua needs to be 250 + pounds, because I even think Joshua was in by far better form vs Pulev.

Joshua for me lost the fight vs Usyk on preparation 'I have gone into detail, about this subject many times'.

I have said enough here, I cannot be bothered with the thread.

[Mushashi]

Honestly I think AJ suffers from some form of anxiety. He might have a personality that predisposes him to anxious thought and behaviour. We saw it vividly during Ruiz I. He's not the only athlete to suffer from panic attacks while performing in front of a live audience in the social media age.

I also think he believes himself as more than just a boxer doing his job first and foremost. He's really out here behaving like an ambassador and role model. That's a heavy crown to carry, the burden is weighing down on him increasingly and affecting his performances in ring.

While Fury represents his gypsy people proudly, with him he's firmly anti-establishment. There's no love lost between him and British boxing establishment and media. It gives him an edge and inspires him to greater heights. Just a different mentality.


He's not from the ends, though he as priors with the law. And in his late teens he used to chill in London but he's still a lad from Watford. Elton John country. I don't know how much of that comes into play regarding his lack of aggression since his life and death war with Wlad.

He knows he has shaky stamina and recovers too slowly when gassed. He's afraid to punch himself out. And doesn't possess a cast iron chin to throw caution to the wind and go all out. He needs a proper strength and conditioning coach to fix his physical deficiencies and restore his confidence to give and take punches when boxing isn't working.

But definitely the fame and status is hurting him somehow. All those PR obligations and acting safe is doing a number on him psychologically. When you're forbidden from being your authentic self, that can harm you in the long run.

[BangEM]

Ya know I won't argue or threaten across the internet but I will say if I ever had the opportunity to see you face to face you may be surprised at what you would encounter. Yaj ust never know who's on this end of the line buddy.

SMH. Muppet.

Most of you are sheltered kids and you won’t survive a day in the gladiator school.

[BangEM]

This thread is in part complete nonsense, ****Em is also projecting in this thread.

****Em knows full well that Tyson Fury, has not lived the live of a bare knuckle fighter. Fury from a young age was wrapped in cotton wool and kept away from that lifestyle. Within their community the Fury's are well respected, and I highly doubt Fury and is siblings were subjected to much abuse. I would imagine Fury has never had to deal with most things kids in inner cities have had to deal with on a daily basis, are there any stories of him having to fight in a school yard? No.

Tyson Fury is the way he is, because innately that is who he is.

Anthony Joshua in contrast has mostly likely for sure lived a more rough life. People must understand that people all have different natures, that brings into discussion? Is it nature or nature, what creates a killer instinct or a tough person? It is a combination of both.

Fighters such as David Haye & Tyson Fury are innately vicious people, at will they can just suddenly decide to switch up on their opponents and enjoy it. Anthony Joshua just like David Price, is no a push over but 'He will only react and defend himself, he will not be the cause of the abuse'.

Anthony Joshua innately is not a vicious person, but I think it is taking it abut too far 'Questioning his blackness'. Black people don't have to act a certain way, and talking about men in general. MEN, don't have to group themselves with anyone 'They should have the ability to stand alone' not only in person, but in style and demeanor.

It is actually weaker men who get overly influenced by their environment 'Or a demographic of people'. There are two types of men 'Men who get overly influenced by their environment, or men that influenced their environment'.

And it does no matter, what a mass of people think about you. It does no matter whether you are popular or not 'If people mock you, or try and be opportunistic towards you'. If you can walk among chaos, if you can deal with the mockers and weasels 'And still not deviate from what makes you', that is a man, that is individual.

I would watch people in my life, continually go through phases in their life. One minute they are dressing like Goth's, the next minute they are being overtaken by basketball culture and so on 'And because these people are with the crowds and they know a few names 'They think this is toughness, they think this is what cultivates man' It is not what cultivates man.

Now is not a time for Anthony Joshua 'To start being all matey matey, with some black folk in a inner city like a complete weasel' begging to be influenced. Now is a time for Anthony Joshua to face himself, we can all do it 'But most people continually distract themselves, with crowds, with social media, with their own mouth'.

****Em, since Joshua's defeat you are going through phases of grief 'Joshua is most likely somebody who you projected a aspect of yourself onto'. And because a situation has arisen, a result has come about which YOU do not agree with 'You are just completely all over the place with this'.

First you jumped off the **** wagon. Innately deep down this is what you want to do, I pointed this out to you 'The day before the fight and you reacted extremely hostile, because you knew deep what I was saying was right'.

Then you blamed everyone around Anthony Joshua, and finally you have come to now insult and demean Joshua's very character as a man.

Note: You have to accept that Joshua may have just found his level. For me that is not my belief, because I am actually adamant that Anthony Joshua wins the rematch via stoppage. And it is not about him hanging about, begging to be influenced by some hoodlums. It is about Anthony Joshua first and foremost facing himself 'Then coming to a understanding that his approach to the game is not nourishing his strengths'. For some unknown reason, Joshua felt the need to completely change his approach to the sport 'And his game has regressed both technically, and physically because of it'.

It is all documented, if Joshua wants to reintroduce his former training and lifestyle he can. Joshua knows that, if he really wanted to 'He could completely change his dimensions, and still function'. Joshua at 252 pounds fought at a higher intensity against a by far better opponent in Wladimir Kiltschko 'That fight was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'. But I am not demanding that Joshua needs to be 250 + pounds, because I even think Joshua was in by far better form vs Pulev.

Joshua for me lost the fight vs Usyk on preparation 'I have gone into detail, about this subject many times'.

I have said enough here, I cannot be bothered with the thread.

Stop projecting. This is thread and the other threads I’ve created is just me calling a spade a spade. I do the same with the footy team I support they have a stinker and the players don’t show up. That doesn’t mean I’ll stop supporting the club I’ve supported all my - it’s called, “tough love” - something a lot of you sheltered/pampered kids aren’t used to. And the same is applicable here.

AJ needs some tough love - not yes men. And forums are platforms to express your musings in public. The guy has made two fatal errors due to his insecurities. First against Ruiz in trying to replicate what Wilder did. And now against Usyk in trying to what he’s not skilled enough to do. When Manny was beating bigger guys to a pulp and getting celebrated for it - Mayweather didn’t abandon his “boring style” - to replicate what Manny was doing. He focused on himself and kept being himself. That’s what separates a man who’s comfortable in his own skin vs a man who isn’t.

I never said all black people are wired the same way and have to act the same way. I was just pointing out that AJ isn’t cut from the same cloth as another demographic of black people. Also, if we’re being honest here - AJ is also more comfortable around white people than black people (that’s a fact). And you don’t need to look further than who he’s surrounded by hence I never thought he’s racist even when some were calling him racist.

Admittedly, I probably made a lazy generalisation, however, there’s a level of toughness we’ve all been conditioned to expect from black people which I don’t see in AJ.

I’m always gonna support AJ, even after boxing, for what he did for the sport in the U.K. I don’t think people realise how far reaching the AJ effect is - you have to visit boxing gyms around the U.K. to see it. Also, a lot of young British boxers in the pro ranks today started boxing because of AJ. But I don’t feel he’ll be appreciated fully until he retires TBH.

Anyway, I want him to retire with his name up there with the greats. And only tough love would make him realise what he’s doing wrong and it has to start with his insecurities.

Edit: Fury was raised in a middle class household, however, he was still culturally raised as a traveller. There’s a reason why he was withdrawn from formal education at the normal age travellers pull their kids out of school. And he did the gypsy fighting culture. I know a lot of travellers and all of them can fight. It’s cultural for them.

[KingGilgamesh]

Without getting into too many generalisations, I just don't think in the UK we buy into the idea of a 'tough guy' image being worth anything.

If Joshua was snarling in pressers he'd be laughed at in the UK. In the US (again, I know I'm generalising) it seems like that's a prerequisite to being taken seriously. Joshua has been pretty vicious in the ring. It's the only place it matters.

In the same way, Lewis seemed to be written off in the US on account of his accent and generally sound behaviour. Then he put a pretty sadistic beatdown on a renowned 'tough guy' in Tyson and perceptions changed... a bit.

As with anything, the outcome defines good and bad. If Joshua is a nice guy and wins, we don't even talk about it.

The crux of the issue is that Joshua lost. He lost because he got soundly beaten by a better boxer.

Now he's got to turn that around. And the transformation he has to make will be much more difficult than just sounding a bit tougher in interviews.

Rubbish.

Joshua has been in decline for a while. Almost linked entirely to his increasing media presence. Unless you're a sociopath, compartmentalization of violence is nigh impossible. The nice guy image is having a negative effect.

And whilst we are at it, let's quit this bull**** about Lewis not being respected in America because he wasn't a "badass". Lewis is a **** and has always been a ****. It's It's I like about him. During the build up to his fight wirh Bruno he pretty much went around saying Bruno was a coon. The reason he was disliked in the US was largely because of his fighting style, which was seen as negative and too reliant on the jab. His fight with Tua proves this emphatically.

[KingGilgamesh]

Because here in the UK, we find that tough man image to be cheesy, or corny as the Americans put it. It impresses nobody, because it’s just an act with 99% of people.

Some of the best fighters have been respectful and well mannered. Look at the beating GGG put on Stevens when he tried that street act.

Fury stood in a press conference for the Cunningham fight and told all Cunningham’s group of hangers from Philly on they’re a joke basically, acting like tough guys. They didn’t do a thing.

As for AJ, I don’t think ever had that real toughness in him anyway. I don’t think it’s anything geographical, just the individual.

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Mike Tyson considers the British to be tougher than Americans when it comes to being game for a fight and I think it’s true. We just get stuck in. Americans sue each other.

Fury is a wanker who has went on racist and ****phobic rants numerous times. His father did years for violent assault and still can't leave the country. The **** are u on about?